for those of you who are familiar, how far does the video go in the development of the pup. It is quite pricey and also wanted to know if it is worth the $$$
The Hillman training protocol to the point that it has been shown thus far, does not seem to me to be strictly intended to be used as a precursor for a conventional Carr based " yard" or "transition" program.....What Change?
Or do you just have that infamous stirrin stick out a yers!
Like I said;
Pros seem to complain a lot of owners that dont do ANYTHING with their puppies before they bring them to thier kennels..... NOTHING......
I think this DVD provides a visual example of a good preperation for a pup.
I dont think it has anything to do with a particular program
If Lardy or Gram has a particular Puppy (remember this is what the DVD is TITLED) PROTOCOL,,then I assume they would have particular sugestions
The DVD uses a 10 week old Puppy,, and shows a 28 day progression!!
28 days SIR!!!!! Its PUPPY TRAINING!!!!!!!
Gooser
Gooser that is a very important point you bring home-age of the pup when you start and when you are finished Hillman's DVD. Most should start at 8 weeks-10 weeks. I started Chief a little later as we had been following info from Lori Jolly's book (which is good). By the end of the 28 days of Hillman's DVD, he still was not that old (6.5 months)! Now I am making sure he has his steadiness is down pat! In January, he will be ff and have more cc. Right now, he is having loads of fun and yet he is still so eager, soaking the game up like a sponge. The DVD is a valuable tool IMHO and don't just stop running over the techniques you learned. At least your pup has been introduced to a fair approach to retrieving, you will always use the info, grow from that 28 day point and the techniques will develop better in different ways but they will be very useful to you!!IMHOJohn
I think I did answere your question.
Now that I understand what you think the change is ,mebe I can try a intelligent answere.(hard for gooser)
Like I said, I think it prepares a puppy for FORMAL obediance and field work training and (very well too.)
My own perpective is (my opinion) , there will come a point in time when a dog will need to learn about force, and how to deal with it. I dont want to turn this into another one a those silly FF debates,, but eventually if you are following what you call a Carr based program,, a dog will need to learn about Force.
I dont think that there is ANY change from Carr based programs to Hillmans PUPPY DVD
I dont think Lardy,, Gram,,Dobbs whoever,,, have an intent to be 'UNKIND or HARSH to a puppy. They slowly bring a puppy along with socialization parameters, obedience , ect.
I think what the Hillman DVD shows is someones way of COMBINING all this into each daily routine,, so the dog learns commands like "sit",, walking on a leash,, Hold,, steadyness,, without it even knowing it. He starts the dog out presenting to the puppy, what his world is,, and what is to be expected of him,, and like most other programs,, makes it Fun with no harsh corrections! They are PUPPIES!!!!. He develops a good positive attitude for training.
If you wanted to say, you wish Hillman had a video describing transition work,, advanced field work,, DeCheating, DeBolting,, Pile work,, T and double T ,, Water force,,, Swim by ect,,, well,, I guess you shoulda said that. If you did,, and I miss understood you,, then I appologise.
I think Lardy , Gram and many other Pros would be impressed if Clients took the time to prepare a Puppy following Hillmans DVD. I believe the Pup would blend well to any program the client chooses to follow after that 28 DAT TIME PERIOD!!!!
Seriosly!!!! Think about it. If that puppy in Hiimans DVD is 10 weeks old,,,,, and he progresses as described for the next 28 days,, How old is the Pup at that point in time???? Just a Bit over 3 months????? The Pros I know dont want the dog till he is between 4 and 6 months!!! They are gonna want to see if a puppy can sit,, walk on lead,, Here, ride in a truck, not freek at the sight of other dogs... They wont even start that 4 month old puppt they just got in,, on a harsh ,, unkind training regieme.. At least not anyone I'm sending a dog to!!
Hillmans DVD is for BABIES!!!!!!!! Its a PREPERATION FOR PUPPIES!!!!!!
If you personally want a program that doesnt include Force,, so be it,, you can find them,, or creat yer own if ya want,,, and that Hillman puppy will be fine follwing one.
I also believe that same Hillman puppy will do quite well follwing Lardy.
Again!!! This is GOOSER Take it for what its worth. Its just my opinion based on my observations from watching the DVD. I plan on using it with my new puppy.
Gooser
Don't get caught up in semantics. If you dont want to use the word program to discribe what Bill is doing each day for 28 training day don't .Thanks Chris!!
2 more weeks!!:razz:
I am experiencing 72 hr days!!!
Gooser
John
If you go back and review the Hilman DVD, and listen to the last sentence in the INTRODUCTION,, you will hear Hilman himself say the DVD is for Puppy preperation,, and will be a great precurser for what ever trainer, or program the pup will experience. (I paraphased)
Again,, DVD isnt meant to be a program,, is all about babies!!
Dont make it more than it is!
Gooser
Gooser
I've not verified the numbers quoted by watchem, and others, but assuming the above is accurate, as well as the notion that the DVD encompasses 28 training sessions:I just watched portions of it again today. On day one, the pup is 11 weeks old. On day 28, the pup is five and a half months old.