Thanks everyone, It's nice to have some lines too look into. Not hard to tell a yellow dog but it's always nice to know which blacks might be hiding it. I believe he's looking for natural, She's on the west coast CA. I also know it will be important for him to see the dog run, and get an idea of temperament. They hope to get down to Niland to check out who's come south for the winter. Still nothings off the table when your trying to make a good match.