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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    No, I believe that the point of the article was that the current administration has a program that is spending our tax money to recruit folks to sign up to take more of our tax money. There is a difference between food stamp use increasing under an administration, and an administration going out and trying to increase dependence on food stamps. Don't know if you can see the difference, but there is one.

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    The point is that there are many people out there right now that would never dreamed that they would need a handout from the government, so they are trying to help get this to the people that truly need it. The ones that don't need already know how to beat the system.

    I have had a fruitful life so far and I'm 50 years old, so I have been blessed! Having said that, I know how easy it is to lose it all to things totally out of my control. Therefore, we need not to forget this and not turn our backs on those of unfortune. Please lay off the poor....this is the Reagan campaign all over again....reduce the national debt, do away with the deficit, by not taking care of your poor. He did none of the above accept take from those that needed help and gave it to those that didn't need it. I guess they feel enough time has passed that you will buy their BS again.

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    No one is saying that people who need it should not get help. What we are against is people getting grants to do this. Bet there are many church groups and other organizations that can and would help with this without government grants. This is just more of the "lets throw some money at it, that will fix it" mentality. That is what is wrong with this country and I don't mean that it is just in one party or by one president. It is "Washington thinking" and this is what we need to stop in it's tracks. Vote them all out as soon as possible. Many church groups already give food away. My daughter-in-law ( and my son to some extent ) have passed food out on a volunteer basis in the past. Other church groups have the angel food program for a small amount of money for those who do have a small income and can pay a small amount. No strings attached to any of this. No one is asked to attend any church services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sambo View Post
    The point is that there are many people out there right now that would never dreamed that they would need a handout from the government, so they are trying to help get this to the people that truly need it. The ones that don't need already know how to beat the system.

    I have had a fruitful life so far and I'm 50 years old, so I have been blessed! Having said that, I know how easy it is to lose it all to things totally out of my control. Therefore, we need not to forget this and not turn our backs on those of unfortune. Please lay off the poor....this is the Reagan campaign all over again....reduce the national debt, do away with the deficit, by not taking care of your poor. He did none of the above accept take from those that needed help and gave it to those that didn't need it. I guess they feel enough time has passed that you will buy their BS again.
    Well, no, that wasn't the point of the story or the original post. I am sure that in these times there are people who need help. I can't imagine that there are more than a very few who are unaware that help is available. Just because one qualifies for assistance doesn't mean one has to accept it. If you can get by without the assistance and your pride suggests to you that you should stand on your own, then why would we want to pay people with our tax money to convince you that you should forget self reliance and take taxpayer (i.e. my) money? I have never had much money. I don't buy steak. My new vehicle is a '96 F 150. It really annoys me to see someone with several children putting sodas, steaks, and junk food in their basket and then paying with the LoneStar Card. If you need food, beans combined with grain (rice, corn, wheat) will provide all the essential amino acids and are cheap. Powered milk is cheap and nutritious. The water coming out of your tap is perfectly fit to drink in the vast majority of municipal water systems. If you need meat, whole chicken is pretty cheap. Pork butt is $1.00/lb. Whole wheat flour is cheap and good for you. Learn to bake your own bread, etc. If you have a yard, try planting a garden, green beans, broccoli, and lettuce are easy to grow. Public assistance should be the refuge of last resort, not the first place you turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    No one is saying that people who need it should not get help. What we are against is people getting grants to do this. Bet there are many church groups and other organizations that can and would help with this without government grants.
    Has it ever occurred to you that in economic times like these when more people are in dire need of help, is exactly when the money flowing into charities dries up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Has it ever occurred to you that in economic times like these when more people are in dire need of help, is exactly when the money flowing into charities dries up?
    Especially if your looking for donations from Joe Biden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Has it ever occurred to you that in economic times like these when more people are in dire need of help, is exactly when the money flowing into charities dries up?
    Yes, sorry to say in some instancs it does. That is not a good reason to start giving out grants. Help for the people who need it not money for people or organizations who do not need or derserve it. Please, keep the two separate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Has it ever occurred to you that in economic times like these when more people are in dire need of help, is exactly when the money flowing into charities dries up?
    Exactly. When uber-generous Americans decide that they can't afford to give as much as usual that's exactly when it's time for the government to step in and come take it from them. Because in the end, the govt. is way more capable of deciding how/where you should spend your money than you are.

    And what do you mean by "economic times like these?" Sambo says these are the best of times. You disagree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Especially if your looking for donations from Joe Biden.
    LOL. Right on. Or the Obamas who were relatively miserly before they moved on up to the East Side.

    This is kind of rhetorical, but if you've been vice president for 4 years and you're about to run for another 4 years, how a) stupid are you, or b) how full of entitlement/let them eat cake attitude are you for you to give a pittance to charity each year knowing full well that your tax returns will be scrutinized? My hunch is a healthy dose of both. I bet everytime Obama looks at Biden he silently curses.
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    The "poor"; those that "need" help are two overused terms, IMO. I didn't have much growing up, and by today's standards I would've been classified as poor. My dad and mom both worked low paying jobs, but they did what it took to provide for my brother and I. We were not poor, we were happy. There was no way my dad would take a handout. He was too proud and his work ethic was unmatched. This is not the case for those standing in breadlines today. I know, "not enough jobs", right. --- I would argue there are not enough jobs that pay enough to satisfy the WANTS of people. Plenty of jobs to satisfy the NEEDS of people. It might mean working two or more jobs, but there's work out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck Blind View Post
    The "poor"; those that "need" help are two overused terms, IMO. I didn't have much growing up, and by today's standards I would've been classified as poor. My dad and mom both worked low paying jobs, but they did what it took to provide for my brother and I. We were not poor, we were happy. There was no way my dad would take a handout. He was too proud and his work ethic was unmatched. This is not the case for those standing in breadlines today. I know, "not enough jobs", right. --- I would argue there are not enough jobs that pay enough to satisfy the WANTS of people. Plenty of jobs to satisfy the NEEDS of people. It might mean working two or more jobs, but there's work out there.
    Well said! My mother raised 3 kids on her own without any child support or Govt. assistance of any kind. There were more than a few mornings where she heated the house up in the morning by turning the oven on and opening the door. I also remember her eating quite a few PB&J's so her kids would have enough of a real meal to eat for dinner. She worked 2 jobs to keep us in a house, clothes and food on the table. Not rich by any means but we were happy also. I'm sure she could have qualified for food stamps or other assistance but she never applied and wouldn't! It's a shame that type of ethics isn't more prevalent in our society now a days.

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