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    I wonder how many speakers at CPAC will be grandstanding and speaking out for the Catholic Church on this one? This is a letter sent by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to congress yesterday. Probably won't hear a peep out of the Republicans of the News Media...

    Luvy would be downright ticked off to see them defending the child tax credit!!!


    http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...e-Feb-2012.pdf



    Dear Chairman Camp and Chairman Baucus:
    February
    9, 2012
    The Honorable Max Baucus Chairman
    Committee on Finance
    U.S. Senate
    Washington, D.C.20510


    The Honorable Dave Camp Chairman
    Committee on Ways and Means
    U.S. House of Representatives
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    As you continue negotiations on the Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act, I urge you to do all you can to protect the economic security and dignity of unemployed and low-income workers and their families.

    On behalf of the Catholic bishops, I urge you to extend emergency unemployment insurance in order that jobless workers and their families, who have suffered greatly in this economic downturn, can have a basic level of financial security as they seek stable, full-time employment. Furthermore, I wish to express deep concern with and strong opposition to proposals to alter the Child Tax Credit to now exclude children of hard working immigrant families.

    The most recent drop in unemployment and growth in jobs was welcome news. However, this recent report highlighted that 23.8 million Americans are still unable to find full-time employment. The median length of joblessness is still ten months, and economists estimate that there are over four job seekers for every opening. The economy is still leaving too many people without work.

    I would also caution against changing the unemployment insurance system in ways that could harm vulnerable workers, or make it more difficult for people to re-enter the workforce. Any changes must protect the lives and dignity of beneficiaries.

    As Pope John Paul II said in his encyclical On Human Work:

    The obligation to provide unemployment benefits, that is to say, the duty to make suitable grants indispensable for the subsistence of unemployed workers and their families, is a duty springing from the fundamental principle of the moral order in this sphere, namely the principle of the common use of goods or, to put it in another and still simpler way, the right to life and subsistence (No. 18).

    The Bishops’ conference has long supported the Child Tax Credit because it is pro-work, pro- family and one of the most effective antipoverty programs in our nation. In 2009, 2.3 million people, including 1.3 million children, were kept out of poverty by the Child Tax Credit. Proposals to deny the credit to children of working poor immigrant families--the large majority of whom are American citizens--would hurt vulnerable kids, increase poverty, and would not advance the common good. To exclude these children who are American citizens from the Child Tax Credit is unjust and wrong.

    The Catholic bishops of the United States believe that the most effective way to build a just economy is the availability of decent work at decent wages. When the economy fails to generate sufficient jobs, there is a moral obligation to help protect the life and dignity of unemployed workers and their families. We also must protect those programs that help low-income workers escape poverty and raise their children in dignity.

    I thank you for your service to our nation and I urge you to carefully consider the moral and human consequences of changes to the unemployment insurance program and low-income tax credits.


    Sincerely,




    Most Reverend Stephen E. Blaire Chairman
    Committee on Domestic Justice and Human
    Development



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    Spot on Buzz! Them darn Catholics want to redistribute the wealth in this country!

    I say, "Tax them all" if they want to promote their socialist policies!
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Republicans, Libertarians and freedom lovers of all stripes are against the notion of the govt. mandating that a religious organization like the Catholic Church must operate in a manner inconsistent with their basic tenets. I also think Republicans, Libertarians and freedom lovers of all stripes support the Catholic Church's right to petition the govt. for any reason...no matter how ill-conceived. Where's the hypocrisy? If you're looking for glaring....hmmm....inconsistency shall we say, look no further than devout Catholics supporting a political party that is downright hostile to many Catholic tenets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    Republicans, Libertarians and freedom lovers of all stripes are against the notion of the govt. mandating that a religious organization like the Catholic Church must operate in a manner inconsistent with their basic tenets. I also think Republicans, Libertarians and freedom lovers of all stripes support the Catholic Church's right to petition the govt. for any reason...no matter how ill-conceived. Where's the hypocrisy? If you're looking for glaring....hmmm....inconsistency shall we say, look no further than devout Catholics supporting a political party that is downright hostile to many Catholic tenets.
    As a former Catholic, unlike Buzz, not a candidate for AB. Had a GF (Irish) who never missed an opportunity to pimp for the Pope . In our discussion of the ignorant masses I pointed out to her that the front rows at Mass seemed to be reserved for the local business folks who then sold overpriced products to their fellow parishioners.

    Part of the tax exemption that religion received was for their supposed good deeds that they did at the time. Somehow they got the rest of us on the hook for that & now guard their funds zealouly. I resent paying for things others received a tax break to provide.
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    [quote=Buzz;921855]
    Luvy would be downright ticked off to see them defending the child tax credit!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    In our discussion of the ignorant masses I pointed out to her that the front rows at Mass seemed to be reserved for the local business folks who then sold overpriced products to their fellow parishioners.
    Why Marvin, I'm aghast! If people buy something, by definition it cannot be overpriced. A fair price is whatever people are willing to pay.
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    [QUOTE=luvmylabs23139;921911]
    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Luvy would be downright ticked off to see them defending the child tax credit!!!


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    I'm not Catholic!
    Be that as it may, doesn't it tick you off just a little?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    Why Marvin, I'm aghast! If people buy something, by definition it cannot be overpriced. A fair price is whatever people are willing to pay.
    That is funny - but I operated with 2 thoughts in mind - when we needed something done 1) if the person was too much of a glad hander I watched their work carefully, 2) If the person announced they were a christian we just did not hire them, the odds were too great that the job would prove to be unsatisfactory .
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    [quote=Buzz;921921]
    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post

    Be that as it may, doesn't it tick you off just a little?
    I have never had a high opinion of the Catholic church in general. Bunch of hypocrites.
    Example: NO divorce but if you give them a bunch of money they will anull the marriage. What a joke.
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    Have to agree with Hew ... I don't agree with the RC church on birth control or the letter quoted by the OP, but they have the right to exercise their own beliefs without govt interference; and also have the right to express their opinion to govt.

    If the citizen kids are already getting social services, how come the parents here illegally need an extra bonus? Does that not just encourage more illegal immigration & more anchor babies?

    The Pope may say that we have an obligation to provide this child tax credit (in addition to everything else already provided) ... that doesn't mean he's right. In fact, even RCs don't have to believe in papal infallability in secular matters.
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