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Thread: Searched and took her to the Vet... heat cycle

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    Justin Did you get a breeding done? When are you expecting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErinsEdge View Post
    You did the AI on the 14th. Did you do the AI before you drew the progesterone? Were the pups muzzles lacking hair? Because that's how you know they are that early. I've done enough that I can say that.
    October 14, 2011: First AI at 7.6 ng progesterone. This was a little on the early side, but the weekend messed up things!


    According to MY notes (which my vet agreed with), they were due 9 wks (63 days) from early Fri, Oct 14. According to my Dayrunner, 9 wks was Fri. Dec 16. Yea or Nay? They were born in the wee hours of Tues which was 3 days early last I knew. If you want to debate this further, go for it girls.

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    the natural way to tell, get a male if she will move her tail to the side and stand for
    him without a fight. Shes ready.....get her over to your stud for some fun. I go by 12=16 days after first sign of spotting. male dogs dont usually charge, free test. you dont let your test dog mount unless he's da man

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    Quote Originally Posted by windycanyon View Post
    According to MY notes (which my vet agreed with), they were due 9 wks (63 days) from early Fri, Oct 14. According to my Dayrunner, 9 wks was Fri. Dec 16. Yea or Nay? They were born in the wee hours of Tues which was 3 days early last I knew. If you want to debate this further, go for it girls.

    Just getting some clarification, Anne, since you tend to do things differently. Some of us would have counted from the 13th as ovulation. An exact science? Nope. But going with 5 as ovulation, I've not had one be off more than 2 days and most are within 24 hours. Vs 3-4 days "premature", I'd have said yours were within normal limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokengunz View Post
    the natural way to tell, get a male if she will move her tail to the side and stand for
    him without a fight. Shes ready.....get her over to your stud for some fun. I go by 12=16 days after first sign of spotting. male dogs dont usually charge, free test. you dont let your test dog mount unless he's da man
    Good luck with that when the semen is being shipped across the country and this is your girls last breeding...
    But yes that is one of the indicaters
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    Fascinating thread. As one who has only done a couple breedings the old fashioned way, I have wondered a bunch about the mechanics of AI breedings. This thread has been very enlightening to me. I thank all the contributors to this discussion, I have learned a LOT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by windycanyon View Post
    According to MY notes (which my vet agreed with), they were due 9 wks (63 days) from early Fri, Oct 14. According to my Dayrunner, 9 wks was Fri. Dec 16. Yea or Nay? They were born in the wee hours of Tues which was 3 days early last I knew. If you want to debate this further, go for it girls.
    You and your vet are making the incorrect assumption that ALL dogs rise at "~5" everyday after ovulation. That isn't true. I had one that rose about 1 1/2 the day after, progesterones done 2 days in a row because we couldn't get her bred when I got to the stud and I had the progesterone done the next morning and I also had one that probably rose about 12 to 15 or more points since she got up to 46 from 3.2 in 3 days. Even my repro vet admitted that was extreme.

    This is for those that are following this thread to learn: Progesterones are not that rigid a calculation, and while there are averages,
    there are many dogs that do not fit a rigid scheme in length of cycles or progesterone progression before and after ovulation. What is happening, is through progesterones, we are able to breed some of these bitches that probably couldn't be bred before based on counting days, so we have to deal with their progeny that have unusual cycles.
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    Ok she has been lagging but her levels are starting to finally rise she was a 2.57 on monday and I am getting another sample taken today, it is day 19 and all the vets kept telling me that it is probably a non ovulating cycle- I wasn't sure but we are now on track... unless she stalls we are breeding to Landover's right on Target - Aero this week or weekend - thank goodness for spring break she is causing me grey hairs and I am only 27 - I WANT A PUPPY! HA and fingers crossed I think I might beable to get one now
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    PERFECT CASE IN POINT!!! NON regular bitch

    Hang in there sounds like you may be at the LH surge....Keep us posted OK?
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    Will do- and thanks for all your help and Nancy's
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