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    Let's chew on this for a while.

    All these politicians on the campaign trail are talking tough talk about attacking Iran, with the exception of Ron Paul.

    Let's frame this against the Cuban Missile Crisis. Back then the republicans had different views of how to handle this too, and this went down in history as an act of real deplomicy that did not cost American lives or huge sums of taxpayer dollars.

    Now lets consider the negative consequences of going to war in Iran:

    Stockmarket tumbles, as it adjust for the disruption in the middle east

    Gasoline skyrockets

    American give their lives

    Huge financial burden on American

    Now lets consider the positive consequences of going to war in Iran:

    Defense stocks rally as defense contractors profit from it

    Jobs are created by these contractors

    Oil companies make huge profits off the skyrocketing oil prices

    Fewer unemployed because they are at war

    Now think about the interest groups that want this war and think about the cost of American lives and something closer to your heart, the massive debt to finance it and the tax burden it will create

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    Inspectors will give an accurate assessment as to whether they are buiding weapons. We should know soon what Iran's intentions are.

    The three candidates thumping thier chest is only because the far right has come to embrace war over peace and gather votes from the uninformed.

    And, if they are going to build nuclear weapons, it would be in the interest of Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to handle that situation. It is not "our fight"! If we attack Iran, we only galvenize thier hate of the west. Iran is falling apart from within and we should work that option instead.

    Also, what about the missing USSR nukes, radical Islam within Pakistan and N Korea? Captain America to the resue?
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    Folks-I had boots on the ground in that part of the world in the early 1970s.
    I was trained by the USA to cover your butts before the deluge hit. Now ,
    remember Ronald Reagan's best White House vistor/buddy Sadaam Hussain who used American poison gas to kill his own Kurdish people? Moreover , what about the war between Iraq-Iran where 600,000 Iraqi died and one million Iranians. You want a "ground war?" Whose ready to send their son? The neo-cons talk smart when their blood won't be spilled . I am not a pacifist!

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    A bunch of fairy tales packed into a few posts...

    - Who in their right mind, on either side of the aisle is proposing a boots-on-the-ground or all-out war with Iran?!?

    - "Iran is falling apart from within." By what standard of measurement do you claim that? Their's is one of the few economies that has flourished in the current global recession. Seen any political protests/upheaval in Iran lately? Yeah, me neither. Waiting for Iran to whither and die will be an awful long wait; particularly if they're sitting on a stockpile of nukes.

    - As a small point of fact, Saddam Hussein never visited the White House or had any meetings with Reagan. As a large point of fact, the United States did NOT supply Iraq with chemical weapons. That's pure fantasy.
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    I would tell the Iranians that they need to immediatly stop their uranium enrichment program. If they don't within three days agree to, then I would suggest destroying from the air. Experts estimate it would take about 1,000 sorties to do enough damage deep enough to put them out of business.
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    Donald Rumsfield talked to Saddam as did Reagan via phone. Secondly we tactically
    advised , directed and taught the Iraqis how to "defeat the great Ayatollah" using all types of weapons. We exchanged one-psuedo enemy for a greater one! Naivete is not my suit nor is fantasy. Don't do the talk unless you did the walk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Donald Rumsfield talked to Saddam as did Reagan via phone. Secondly we tactically
    advised , directed and taught the Iraqis how to "defeat the great Ayatollah" using all types of weapons. We exchanged one-psuedo enemy for a greater one! Naivete is not my suit nor is fantasy. Don't do the talk unless you did the walk!
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    Does Israel bombing Iran change the outcome of our election in Nov

    or

    Does the outcome of our election in Nov determine if Israel bombs Iran


    which scenario does the current admin want to see

    which scenario are you more afraid of
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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka;
    Folks-I had boots on the ground in that part of the world in the early 1970s.
    I was trained by the USA to cover your butts before the deluge hit. Now ,
    remember Ronald Reagan's best White House vistor/buddy Sadaam Hussain who used American poison gas to kill his own Kurdish people? Moreover , what about the war between Iraq-Iran where 600,000 Iraqi died and one million Iranians. You want a "ground war?" Whose ready to send their son? The neo-cons talk smart when their blood won't be spilled . I am not a pacifist!

    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Donald Rumsfield talked to Saddam as did Reagan via phone. Secondly we tactically
    advised , directed and taught the Iraqis how to "defeat the great Ayatollah" using all types of weapons. We exchanged one-psuedo enemy for a greater one! Naivete is not my suit nor is fantasy. Don't do the talk unless you did the walk!
    Which is it??

    I beleive I "walked the walk" enough to comment on your credibilty based on your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    Does Israel bombing Iran change the outcome of our election in Nov

    or

    Does the outcome of our election in Nov determine if Israel bombs Iran


    which scenario does the current admin want to see

    which scenario are you more afraid of
    Here is the CATO Institutes take on the subject of an Irainan Nuclear threat. The most realistic that I've read as well as the most sane approach.

    http://www.cato.org/publications/com...gerated-threat

    No wonder the Koch Brothers are attempting a hostile takeover of the CATO Inst.
    http://baselinescenario.com/2012/03/...-nations-fail/
    Last edited by Franco; 03-08-2012 at 03:44 PM.
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