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    [quote=HPL;951592]Although an agnostic at most, I don't really see any serious incompatibility between a belief in God and evolution, just between evolution and pretty much any religion's creation myth. I suppose the rubber really hits the road when it comes to what children are taught in school. I want my tax money used to teach the most current scientific knowledge and if parents want to provide religious training at home, that's great, but they should at least understand evolutionary principles before refuting them. It has been my experience that many fundamentalists have no actual understanding of the principles of evolution and still just say "man is NOT descended from an ape" which is in fact true, but a misstating of evolution's position.
    I would not have a problem with our children being taught the scientific side of evolution IF there were a competent teacher involved. And THAT is a mouthful.
    As to the rest of the discussion over the existence of God, well, that is simply a matter of faith. Most of the time, I don't see where a belief in a supreme being is a negative thing and in fact it brings many people comfort. It is perhaps nice to believe that there is some loving, beneficent being that will take care of us in times of need, but, in looking around the world, visible evidence would tend to indicate that if God does exist, He is a mean, vindictive, SOB that must take pleasure in the suffering of what many claim is His most important creation.
    The suffering we as humans endure is self inflicted. I do not believe He takes pleasure in it. In fact, I believe it saddens Him greatly. In giving humans free choice, sometimes we choose wrong. But, we can always change our minds

    I will also say that according to what my fundamentalist friends tell me,
    Just as most fundamentalists never took the time to really understand principles of evolution, Please don't take someone else's word in regards to the true principles of Faith. Not religion. Faith.
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    Goldensail, you base your statement that Christmas and Easter were started by pagans on what exactly? Kinda like asking someone for test results, etc. to prove the existence of GOD. Before you start lecturing me on the origin of particular Christian holidays let me inform you I am aware of the history of pagan's and their worship to goddesses. Additionally, I am aware of the Roman celebration that occurred during December. However, if you think that either of these two holidays celebrated by pagans in ancient times can be equated to Christmas or Easter as viewed by Christians then you are simply foolish. We can get into the agnostics, atheists, deist, pagans, or Pantheist if you would like but that would be another topic for another post.
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    I just think it is ridiculous that it is acceptable for believers to change a holiday to suit their needs, but it is unacceptable for non-believers to do the same. Hypocritical!

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    I said nothing of the sort! I was making a point about how you stated what you have read about pagans and the connection to Easter and Christmas. I could care less (well not actually, that would not be christian) what you believe, worship, etc. Vivat Jesus!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenSail View Post
    I just think it is ridiculous that it is acceptable for believers to change a holiday to suit their needs, but it is unacceptable for non-believers to do the same. Hypocritical!

    now thats good
    so, anyone know the birthday of Jesus?
    just askin'




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    now thats good
    so, anyone know the birthday of Jesus?
    just askin'




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    Sorry Ken, I do not.
    Nor would that or the date of any holiday impact what's in my soul!!

    Perhaps this will be another learning opportunity for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Sorry Ken, I do not.
    Nor would that or the date of any holiday impact what's in my soul!!

    Perhaps this will be another learning opportunity for me.


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    I'd say you get it already


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    Socks,
    So from you post can we conclude that you have a problem with every non-Christian cultural that exists and their beliefs which includes a supreme being, a god or goddess, etc. or do you just have an issue with Christianity? From your statement I'm not sure although I have my suspicions.

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    Every time this type of discussion arises, I remind myself its almost like those that want to debate collar training vs non collar training....I have a tendency to admire those that respect someones faith in their God along with those that accept that there are other ways to train a dog besides using an E collar

    I also realize that I do not wish to attempt to change anyone's mind in the existence of God and in the same vein do not wish to change their mind to train their dog like I do

    I find that I have very little patience for those that almost enjoy trying to discredit those that choose to practice worshiping their God, as much as I do those that only want to tell me that the way we train dogs is archaic
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    Every time this type of discussion arises, I remind myself its almost like those that want to debate collar training vs non collar training....I have a tendency to admire those that respect someones faith in their God along with those that accept that there are other ways to train a dog besides using an E collar

    I also realize that I do not wish to attempt to change anyone's mind in the existence of God and in the same vein do not wish to change their mind to train their dog like I do

    I find that I have very little patience for those that almost enjoy trying to discredit those that choose to practice worshiping their God, as much as I do those that only want to tell me that the way we train dogs is archaic
    I would never presume to tell you how to train your dog, Bon, as I struggle with getting my own dog trained!

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