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    Default What do you look for in a pup and in what order

    And maybe you all can suggest more qualities I haven't considered. But here is my list (and the way I define the terms) in no particular order:

    Drive (not an indifferent molecule in his/her body. Wants the retrieve more than anything else at that moment, implies intensely focused power.)

    Style (see "drive" above but add a thrill to watch)

    Tenacity (doesn't hold a grudge. Wants to work even after receiving a correction. Not a drama queen)

    Trainability (very much connected to tenacity above... but add a genuine desire to please)

    Good looks (a dog that has the chiseled labrador head and an athletic body)

    Off switch (can relax when appropriate)

    Solid health (obviously)

    Superb marker (That part of marking that is hard-wired... the neurological eye-brain connections)

    Good nose

    Water lover ("aquatic")

    "Sagacity" (smarter than his/her handler)

    I'm not sure in what order I'd put these. I am picking forum members' brains pre-emptively. One of my old boys won't be with us for much longer and I'm trying to keep my eye on the future. When the time comes I'd like to know which studs throw pups with the best assortment of the best genetic gifts.

    Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

    PS: I would hazard a guess that this is well plowed ground on this forum, but as seasons come and go, particular lines emerge as true winners. I'm not familiar with the most sought after studs... so if you have some ideas...

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    Natural marking ability.
    Bottom.

    Neither one can be trained in, and neither one can be witnessed in a puppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    Natural marking ability.
    Bottom.

    Neither one can be trained in, and neither one can be witnessed in a puppy.
    Both can be diminished, even destroyed with poor training, but you can't create what God didn't put there.
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    What you've listed is great. It's what most want. Now all you've got to do is try to predict which mating will produce that and be able to pick "the one" in that litter that has most of what you want at 7-8 weeks old.
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    I guess an even better question would be "which of these can you determine a 7-8 wk old pup has or doesn't have?"

    I think this is why a solid evaluation of the parents is important, but it's still a gamble!

    Another good question would be "Which of these can be trained in & which cannot be?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    Natural marking ability.
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    Neither one can be trained in, and neither one can be witnessed in a puppy.
    I know a couple of guys who won the whole enchilada that would disagree with your opinion .

    But as Howard said there are lots of folks who know how to diminish what the pup starts with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    I know a couple of guys who won the whole enchilada that would disagree with your opinion . .
    Nobody ever won anything, with a dog that couldn't naturally mark, and/or didn't have a whole lot of "try" in it's DNA.

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    I think all of those traits are what you want in a dog, but hard to see those in an 8 week pup. I'm sure all of the members on this forum are far more experienced than I when it comes to picking a pup. As much as we all want the best pup out of the litter, I'm sure there is usually more than one pup that could be developed into a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    Nobody ever won anything, with a dog that couldn't naturally mark, and/or didn't have a whole lot of "try" in it's DNA.
    If you have a 1st & last name I'll check my database & see if you have any pelts . There are a lot of dogs with what you describe in their DNA, bringing it to the level it is useful is another major step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    If you have a 1st & last name I'll check my database & see if you have any pelts . There are a lot of dogs with what you describe in their DNA, bringing it to the level it is useful is another major step.
    He's an HRC guy Marvin. He doesn't want to put his name out there, but I do know who he is, and who he trains with since he's in my area. Not what you and I would consider "pelts".... He just talks. He has obviously read Lardy's material, But there are holes in his "talking" - I just read his stuff for amusement, and sit back and hope some newbie doesn't think he's right.
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