Pure Capitalism

[huntinman]

Public Education through High School. (you will not find me complaining about Oklahoma State income taxes, property taxes, or school taxes. I understand their use and they all have published budgets that for the most part make sense)
No college education. (so, no student loans) Husband has a degree, fully funded by working his tail off and paying for it.. not one single student loan.
No handouts from the Govt for our employers.

Just because I am pissed off about MY tax rate does not mean I think they should go get it from the poor!!! They should get their affairs in order and pay those who NEED PAYING and NOT the jackasses fishing under the Little Wewoka bridge.

Yes, we are earning good money and I don't mind paying a reasonable tax rate. That which we are paying right now is not reasonable. Especially while the GSA parties it up in Vegas and Roger Clemens might have lied about baseball.

Our govt is out of control while holding our checkbooks. In my opinion, the govt could rein in spending in areas OTHER THAN welfare and get a budget under control. But no, they want more tax dollars. So, where should they get more tax dollars? They piss off the Repubs by saying "you have money, so we want it" and it isnt very p.c. to say "tax the poor" but that gets you all wound up and ranting "vote democrat"
When the truth of the matter is:

THEY DONT NEED MORE MONEY.

You got that right...

[ARay11]

Your ther dense one....this is why we pay taxes, and I think we get a deal....don't like to pay them either....but it's a deal. It is NOT a "deal". Maybe you can tell me this...Doesnt the guy making $100,000 annually make enough to pay the same percentage as the guy making $250,000? They are both making a nice living and can afford taxes... so why does one pay a higher percentage than the other?

I've paid a lot and I've gotten a lot....and because of public education and student loans....I've done quite well. I did not pay much when I did not make much but now I pay a lot....don't like it...but I pay them and don't complain.

I also know that much is owed because they did not tax us when they should have to pay for it, so if it requires somemore, I get it.

But I damn sure don't want it falling on those barely getting by!

You love throwing that out there. I don't think anyone wants the poor little widow woman who's net SSI check is $985/month over there on Quimberly Lane to pay taxes. What I want is those who are able bodied enough to go fishin to get off their tails and go to work. I do think that a family making $35000/year can afford a small tax bill.

I can only speak for my own area, but I think the story would be much the same in other towns:

Hypothetical Family of 4:
Average rent here is $800.mo
Subsidized rent: $28./mo. Subsidy paid for by taxpayer : $772 x 12 months: $9264. annually
WIC: $Free Paid for by taxpayers: $100/mo $1200. annually
FoodStamps: I dont know...maybe someone can help fill in this blank $ annually
SoonerCare: $Free My healthcare runs $500/mo $6000. annually

So, This family could be receiving nearly $20,000 in benefits. Also, earning $20,000 in income.
$40,000 in total compensation.
Turn around, and receive back 110% of their IRS withholding.

Fair?

This family would have to go out and instantly get a job making $50,000/year in order to get off the system.
And pay a higher tax rate.

Fair?


Fair?

[menmon]

You love throwing that out there. I don't think anyone wants the poor little widow woman who's net SSI check is $985/month over there on Quimberly Lane to pay taxes. What I want is those who are able bodied enough to go fishin to get off their tails and go to work. I do think that a family making $35000/year can afford a small tax bill.

I can only speak for my own area, but I think the story would be much the same in other towns:

Hypothetical Family of 4:
Average rent here is $800.mo
Subsidized rent: $28./mo. Subsidy paid for by taxpayer : $772 x 12 months: $9264. annually
WIC: $Free Paid for by taxpayers: $100/mo $1200. annually
FoodStamps: I dont know...maybe someone can help fill in this blank $ annually
SoonerCare: $Free My healthcare runs $500/mo $6000. annually

So, This family could be receiving nearly $20,000 in benefits. Also, earning $20,000 in income.
$40,000 in total compensation.
Turn around, and receive back 110% of their IRS withholding.

Fair?

This family would have to go out and instantly get a job making $50,000/year in order to get off the system.
And pay a higher tax rate.

Fair?


Fair?

See the folks making that little would be elgible so it is more cost efficent to give them their money back and don't forget they take that check and go spend it. So it is popular with merchants. The merchant lobby is who you would be up against if you wanted that to change. WalMart loves it.

[menmon]

Go look at that guy fishing's house and see how he lives...he made that decision...fish, drink, not work, pay no taxes and collect some wellfare. Not a bad trade if you really think about it. You and I on the other hand want a nice house, truck, dogs, etc. so we have to work and pay taxes. But we could choose that life...I still prefer paying taxes, but the fisherman will out live you because he is not stressed out about paying taxes.

[ARay11]

Go look at that guy fishing's house and see how he lives...he made that decision...fish, drink, not work, pay no taxes and collect some wellfare. Not a bad trade if you really think about it. You and I on the other hand want a nice house, truck, dogs, etc. so we have to work and pay taxes. But we could choose that life...I still prefer paying taxes, but the fisherman will out live you because he is not stressed out about paying taxes.

WOW!! We finally agree on something!!!




We all CHOSE our lives!!

Now, quit asking me to pay for someone else's bad choices and continue contributing at an exorbitant rate to a government with zero accountability.

[huntinman]

Go look at that guy fishing's house and see how he lives...he made that decision...fish, drink, not work, pay no taxes and collect some wellfare. Not a bad trade if you really think about it. You and I on the other hand want a nice house, truck, dogs, etc. so we have to work and pay taxes. But we could choose that life...I still prefer paying taxes, but the fisherman will out live you because he is not stressed out about paying taxes.

[B]You finally get it!!![/B]

[luvmylabs23139]

Go look at that guy fishing's house and see how he lives...he made that decision...fish, drink, not work, pay no taxes and collect some wellfare. Not a bad trade if you really think about it. You and I on the other hand want a nice house, truck, dogs, etc. so we have to work and pay taxes. But we could choose that life...I still prefer paying taxes, but the fisherman will out live you because he is not stressed out about paying taxes.

Yes, he made a choice but why should I pay for his choice??
Oh and as for his house, ask me about the baby mommas that one point section 8 aid paid for them to live across from me and below me while I paid a mortgage, common charges, property taxes, income taxes and they had the same home as me but I had to pay for them to break all the rules, block my car in etc.
One of those welfare mom's drove a brand new car and mine was 8 years old. My tax dollars at work.

[coachmo]

Sambo, you once again are making a huge generalization about how people live, work choices, etc. and basically don't know what you're talking about. So before you decide to dazzle us with your amazing intellect let me point out to you that my dad was a commercial fisherman, did work (very hard I might add), didn't collect welfare and paid taxes. So undoubtedly you are referring to a different type of fisherman which further proves my point that we should be concerned with our own well being and that of the people we choose to support and not everyone else. But on a side note and I believe I've asked this before; if you and all of the wonderful, concerned, compassionate, left wing, progressives are truly worried about your fellow man then how come there's so many rich liberals? Why dont you and your kind share some more of your wealth? Just wondering.

[paul young]

Sambo, you once again are making a huge generalization about how people live, work choices, etc. and basically don't know what you're talking about. So before you decide to dazzle us with your amazing intellect let me point out to you that my dad was a commercial fisherman, did work (very hard I might add), didn't collect welfare and paid taxes. So undoubtedly you are referring to a different type of fisherman which further proves my point that we should be concerned with our own well being and that of the people we choose to support and not everyone else. But on a side note and I believe I've asked this before; if you and all of the wonderful, concerned, compassionate, left wing, progressives are truly worried about your fellow man then how come there's so many rich liberals? Why dont you and your kind share some more of your wealth? Just wondering.

ummmmmm, i think he was referring to the fishermen ARAY posted about, who are anything BUT commercial fishermen. please try to take things within the context they are presented.

FWIW, the commercial fishermen i know (a bunch) do pretty well for themselves. they probably work harder and smarter than any other profession, so they deserve it. The physical danger they deal with on a daily basis , alone, is a big reason why they should.-Paul

[coachmo]

That's kinda of the point I was making. Should we really be concerned about everyone else and the style of life they live? But if it makes you feel better I'll read every post and make sure to take things within the context they are presented. Way to avoid the question I presented in my post.