*Raw Video* George Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Martin Shooting

[gmhr1]

well if he did he didnt hang up with his girlfriend and call the police. Wouldn't she have called 911 when she claims the phone went dead and she wasn't able to reach him again. Shouldn't she have called police or his family and said hey some creep is outside your door stalking your brother and now I can't reach him. Wouldn't you think someone in that house would have said tm went to get me a tea hours ago and hasn't come home yet. They didn't seem very worried about him or they didn't want the police involved.

[Ken Bora]

Hardly know where to begin, so let me start here; Ken's statement really surprised because it has been my opinion that Ken is probably the type of fellow who, if he lived in a neighborhood that had been experiencing a series of break-ins and he spotted a suspicious looking fellow (day or night, rain or clear) would call the police AND then try to keep the person in view until the police arrived (actually, it's my suspicion that Ken would probably call the cops and then walk up, introduce himself, and attempt to find out why the person was there, but I could be wrong).

you nailed the bold underline, as for the 911 part. I aint never reported skittle eatin'
I get home after 9pm. I walk my dogs at night all the time. I even have a black hoodie.
I walk up to and chat with folk at night, in the dark, with my dogs.
And a valad what if.... what if dead child thought Z was a robber? Be nice to be able to ask him.
Z shoulda stayed in his car like the police told him.

[HPL]

you nailed the bold underline, as for the 911 part. I aint never reported skittle eatin'
I get home after 9pm. I walk my dogs at night all the time. I even have a black hoodie.
I walk up to and chat with folk at night, in the dark, with my dogs.
And a valad what if.... what if dead child thought Z was a robber? Be nice to be able to ask him.
Z shoulda stayed in his car like the police told him.

I'm not saying that anyone involved here made the best decision, but the police didn't TELL him to stay in the car, and I know from experience that it frequently takes police too long to arrive to be able to point to the fellow you were calling about and say "there he is". Like one fellow said on a different forum when asked why he carried a gun, "because policemen are too heavy". I think that Zimmerman was trying to be a good citizen and neighbor and unfortunately for both men Trayvon made a fatal mistake when he attacked him.

Zimmerman has neither your size, nor your Chessies as an intimidation factor.

One thing that I haven't read anywhere is at what distance Zimmerman was following Trayvon. If he was staying half a block or so behind him, that should have given Trayvon plenty of space to be able to get home without incident if he had just made the sensible choice.

As far as your what if, if Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was a robber, well, then, it was very foolish of him to confront him when home and safety were only a few yards away.

My sympathies began to swing to Zimmerman about the time our friends Jesse and Al began attempting to color the event as a racist act, and continued to swell as the media kept publishing the photo of 10 or 12 year old Trayvon instead of one showing him as he actually was (17, 6'+, and, at least at times somewhat thuggy looking). Made me feel like they were hiding something and began to sound like a lynch mob. Then there was the fact that that group was claiming that the "white man" was profiling and stalking some little black kid and then, in the words of one congresswoman, "shot him down like a dog" which is demonstrably NOT what happened. to top it off, when it turned out that Zimmerman is in fact part Hispanic, they actually went so far as to refer to him as a "white" Hispanic (whatever the hell THAT is). Would be laughable if it weren't so blatant.

So, get rid of all the hyperbole, and what I think it comes down to is; Zimmerman was aware that there had been a series of break-ins in his neighborhood. Zimmerman saw someone acting in what he felt was a suspicious manner. Zimmerman called the police to report the activity and then decided to attempt to keep an eye on the person until police arrived. Zimmerman did NOT attempt to "apprehend" or in any other way molest Trayvon. Zimmerman did not go "hunting" for Trayvon with blood in his heart and gun drawn. Trayvon noticed Zimmerman watching and following him. Instead of proceeding to the safety of his father's house or calling the police to tell them that HE had seen someone behaving suspiciously, Trayvon decided to not only confront Zimmerman but to actually assault him. Trayvon then did attack Zimmerman, striking him in the face, knocking him to the ground and then beating his head on the concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman then pulled his legally carried firearm, discharging it ONE TIME which apparently cooled Trayvon's jets causing him to break off the attack and unfortunately resulting in Treyvon's death.

From what I have read, that seems a plausible scenario, and it would be my position that in that case, Trayvon's death, though unfortunate, was not a crime.

[gmhr1]

Z thought TM was up to no good thats why he called 911 if TM thought Z was a robber he should have hung up and called 911 thats what you do if you think someone is possibly on drugs walking through your neighborhood .Than you should keep an eye on the suspect until the cops arrive just what z did if you don't want him to get away. I agree he should have stayed in his truck but he did try and return as he was attacked. Listen to the 911 call he was not ordered not to follow him the operator said we don't need to follow him and z said ok. I hope my neighbors keep an eye out for suspicious people in my neighborhood. I do.

[Olliedog]

While I think this conversation has reached it's end I would like to say that I appreciate the way it was conducted. Thank you gent's.

[gmhr1]

I think best we can hope for is a hung jury.

[mjh345]

I think best we can hope for is a hung jury.

Cyndi, I would guess that you have made far more posts on the Trayvon Martin threads than anyone else. It is my observation that you either have some inside knowledge of the facts of the case that the rest of us don't have, or that you have ZERO objectivity on the case and have made a "Rush to Judgement"


Have you acquired some insider info from your Arizona location that makes you sure of his wrongful arrest?
If so you probably should share that with the cops and prosecutors in Florida who have investigated the on scene evidence & facts of the case and based on their on the scene investigation arrested him and criminally charged him.

If you are not privy to any such exculpatory evidence, then why would you say "The best WE can hope for is a hung jury"?
Why do you use the term "WE" in your statement? Is your last name Zimmerman: or do you have some type of personal relationship with him?
Or is that "WE" just a final definitive indicator of your complete lack of objectivity in this case?

I would think that as a law abiding citizen of the USA the best "WE" could hope for is that there is not a hung jury, and instead the evidence comes out in a clear and convincing manner so that he is acquited if he did nothing wrong, or he is convicted if he shot Mr Martin dead without legal justification
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[HPL]

Cyndi, I would guess that you have made far more posts on the Trayvon Martin threads than anyone else. It is my observation that you either have some inside knowledge of the facts of the case that the rest of us don't have, or that you have ZERO objectivity on the case and have made a "Rush to Judgement"


Have you acquired some insider info from your Arizona location that makes you sure of his wrongful arrest?
If so you probably should share that with the cops and prosecutors in Florida who have investigated the on scene evidence & facts of the case and based on their on the scene investigation arrested him and criminally charged him.

If you are not privy to any such exculpatory evidence, then why would you say "The best WE can hope for is a hung jury"?
Why do you use the term "WE" in your statement? Is your last name Zimmerman: or do you have some type of personal relationship with him?
Or is that "WE" just a final definitive indicator of your complete lack of objectivity in this case?

I would think that as a law abiding citizen of the USA the best "WE" could hope for is that there is not a hung jury, and instead the evidence comes out in a clear and convincing manner so that he is acquited if he did nothing wrong, or he is convicted if he shot Mr Martin dead without legal justification
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I would certainly agree that a hung jury is probably not the most desirable outcome, but I for one have my doubts as to the reason that Zimmerman was arrested and indicted. Everything that I have seen and read leads me to believe that the arrest and indictment were POLITICALLY motivated and probably had little to do with the actual evidence. He wasn't charged or arrested until the media had splashed Treyvon's baby photo all over the airwaves making it look like Zimmerman had slaughtered an innocent practically with mother's milk still on his lips, and Jesse and Al got involved, clearly distorting the facts and essentially creating a lynch mob mentality to which the local authorities had to bend. Of course we aren't privy to all the evidence, but when the folks making the accusation go to such trouble to color the facts, it makes me very skeptical of their claims and the "prosecution" begins to look more like "persecution".

With all the political pressure that was brought to bear by people whose motives are always in question, the prosecution has a tough row to hoe to convince me that the shooting wasn't justified, tragic perhaps, but still legally justified.

[mjh345]

I would certainly agree that a hung jury is probably not the most desirable outcome, but I for one have my doubts as to the reason that Zimmerman was arrested and indicted. Everything that I have seen and read leads me to believe that the arrest and indictment were POLITICALLY motivated and probably had little to do with the actual evidence. He wasn't charged or arrested until the media had splashed Treyvon's baby photo all over the airwaves making it look like Zimmerman had slaughtered an innocent practically with mother's milk still on his lips, and Jesse and Al got involved, clearly distorting the facts and essentially creating a lynch mob mentality to which the local authorities had to bend. Of course we aren't privy to all the evidence, but when the folks making the accusation go to such trouble to color the facts, it makes me very skeptical of their claims and the "prosecution" begins to look more like "persecution".

With all the political pressure that was brought to bear by people whose motives are always in question, the prosecution has a tough row to hoe to convince me that the shooting wasn't justified, tragic perhaps, but still legally justified.

AMAZING!!
I thought it was really weird that one could divine the probative value of evidence that they had never seen or heard from Arizona; but apparently one can pick up those those vibes on the Coastal bend of Texas also.
Cyndi appears to have been greatly swayed by the fact that the dead boy wore a hoodie, and had grown some between his 13th and 17th birthdays. She has cited that "evidence"" numerous times
You were also apparently swayed by the fact this kid also was larger as a 17 yr old than as a 13 yr old. What else were you influenced by in making your judgement?

Please share, because I've gotta believe it must be overwhelming "evidence"; since you "Law & Order" types usually have a tendency to support the police and prosecution.

I'm certain you two beacons of Justice & Law & Order aren't accepting everything Zimmerman says as fact in light of the fact that he has plenty of motivation to skew the facts, and that the authorities who have dealt with the case say there are inconsistencies in his version of the story. Additionally with his past police record, and the fact that he and his wife have been charged with lying since this incident, his credibility is questionable at best.

I gotta believe that you two "Law & Order types would agree that with his record, and the fact he shot & killed the only witness who could belie his version of the story, that it would be a very bad precedent to set to simply accept his version of the story.

So once again tell me please what it is that you two have been able to divine from 1000's of miles away that convinces you that he is being railroaded by the Fla authorities



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[paul young]

I would certainly agree that a hung jury is probably not the most desirable outcome, but I for one have my doubts as to the reason that Zimmerman was arrested and indicted. Everything that I have seen and read leads me to believe that the arrest and indictment were POLITICALLY motivated and probably had little to do with the actual evidence. He wasn't charged or arrested until the media had splashed Treyvon's baby photo all over the airwaves making it look like Zimmerman had slaughtered an innocent practically with mother's milk still on his lips, and Jesse and Al got involved, clearly distorting the facts and essentially creating a lynch mob mentality to which the local authorities had to bend. Of course we aren't privy to all the evidence, but when the folks making the accusation go to such trouble to color the facts, it makes me very skeptical of their claims and the "prosecution" begins to look more like "persecution".

With all the political pressure that was brought to bear by people whose motives are always in question, the prosecution has a tough row to hoe to convince me that the shooting wasn't justified, tragic perhaps, but still legally justified.

As you know, they don't have to convince you. IF you were in the jurist pool and you answered the questions asked truthfully during the voir dire process, i'm sure you would be excused from jury duty on this trial, as would I.-Paul