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Thread: If you have a business, you didn't build that

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    Attributed to Ben Franklin-
    "Don't Argue with Stupid People..... They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!" --- I think this comment still hold today!

    Obama - shows his true colors (Red or Pink) --- I think he might just be to the LEFT of Socialism--He might just be the "C" word......

    Buzz - I will hand it to you-- you have a backbone to defend Obama still --- go ahead and hate Fox News - but realize what Obama stands for.......
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    That's really the argument and defense some of you guys are using to defend obama...his quote was taken out of context! PLEASE! This further shows his true feelings toward business, well businesses that he doesn't approve of.

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    I interpreted the you didn't build it referring to business was him referring to people getting the govt grants and loans to help them start up a business. You do have to have a solid business plan laid out to present to the govt or you won't get your grant or loan. That's the way I interpreted it anyway. Not toom many start up businesses get off the ground without some type of aid, whether it be govt. or an investor, or even a relative or friend. That's what he meant that somebody helped you along the way.

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    It's another blatant example of the role obama sees for government to play in the lives of the American people. Are you guys really that blind? In denial or what?

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    Wasn't this one of the main ideas of Communism? Your business belongs to the gov't. The gov't made your business, not you or your hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    The real problem here is that after reading the whole quote, it appears to me that the quote in its entirety simply builds on the thought represented by the excerpt. As I interpret it, the point seems to be based on a system of beliefs that denies or at least dismisses the importance of individual choices, effort, and accomplishment. This system of beliefs also tends to dismiss the importance of individual RESPONSIBILITY for outcomes. If people aren't responsible for their own success, it logically follows that neither are they responsible for their failures. That leads to a culture of victimhood, helplessness, and envy. All very destructive to a free society.
    BINGO! All we can hope is that this guy keeps talking and people finally start to listen to what he says.
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    I was inclined to believe that govt infrastructure was an asset to a business being built, and was not "created" by the business-owner.

    I was mulling that over, when I heard a comment by Rush Limbaugh. Rush may have a messed up personal life; speak in sound bites; be abrasive, and be an "entertainer" ... but he does come up with some insights.

    Rush made a simple statement: Which came first? Paved roads or the automobile? There was no need for paved roads until we had the automobile.

    That got me to thinking ...

    Why did we need roads at all? So that commerce could flow freely. And there were toll roads ... those who used them paid for them. And the Founding Fathers believed that toll roads were a legitimate function of govt.

    The earliest schools were decided upon by the local community ... not by the Federal or state govt. Education was necessary for the flow of commerce ... reading and writing contracts; keeping tally of costs to price goods suitably. Communities could agree that their children needed these skills to function in commerce. They even realized that they needed higher education, so colleges and universities were also funded.

    These things could only be funded with the proceeds from commerce; to benefit more commerce. Those who benefited from their commerce were willing to invest in these things to aid in the continued growth of commerce. They made the investment not through being forced to do so, but because it made good sense to encourage the growth of commerce.

    Govt has now grown so large and diverse that it is easy to forget that it all starts with commerce ... no govt can function without the funds it gets from commerce.
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    Here is an interesting question: Name me a government investment/business that has paid off in a large profit, not talking bailout money but actual capital investment


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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    Here is an interesting question: Name me a government investment/business that has paid off in a large profit, not talking bailout money but actual capital investment


    will wait for an answer
    The last one was probably aero-space. One could say that it spun off the entire semiconductor industry with its drive for miniaturization of electronics. Also produced advanced insulation and thermal resistant surfaces, propulsion technology, satellite communication systems, etc.

    Prior to that was probably the interstate highway system. Just the excise tax on fuel has more than paid for the investment. It has only been since the siphoning off of funds for mass transit that the highway tax fund has been depleted.

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    The gov invents everything even when Bush was prez here is an article from 2007 and the US gov invented all of these things.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/great-invent...nt-514813.html
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