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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    The real problem here is that after reading the whole quote, it appears to me that the quote in its entirety simply builds on the thought represented by the excerpt. As I interpret it, the point seems to be based on a system of beliefs that denies or at least dismisses the importance of individual choices, effort, and accomplishment. This system of beliefs also tends to dismiss the importance of individual RESPONSIBILITY for outcomes. If people aren't responsible for their own success, it logically follows that neither are they responsible for their failures. That leads to a culture of victimhood, helplessness, and envy. All very destructive to a free society.

    Totally off the mark...
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    I agree Buzz, Obama was WAAAAAAY off the mark!!
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    Liberals do not like to have the facts about President Obama, the Democratic party, and their flawed economic/business philosophy pointed out to them, because then they might actually need to have facts to back up theur argument, and facts are a pesky little problem when they constantly point out that every time we try socialism/communism it ends up being a failure. My question for liberals and the president is why should the CEO of any business pay more than you or me. I have numerous friends and relatives who own their own companies or businesses and in my humble opinion neither you nor I have a right to expect them to pay more because they are successful. You and I weren't there when they were working a full time job while building their company, and we didn't miss birthdays, ball games and Sunday dinners to build something. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping you from doing what those evil CEO's have done. And for those liberals who say that Obamacare (and the health care systems in Canada/UK/France) is not socialist is beyond naive. When the government controls an industry the way they will under Obamacare that is the vey definition of socialism. The biggest problem with our system now is government intervention. If car insurance worked like this plan it would cost five times what I does now. At some point in time you will run out of other people's money. You need to watch "Eat The Rich" on YouTube - even if we confiscated every dollar of wealth from the private sector for one year we couldn't solve our budget problems. The bottom line is we spend to much.

    All you need to do is look at the facts of how our tax rates currently work:
    The top 1% of earners take home 16.9% of the nations income, but pay 36.7% of taxes
    The top 5% of earners take home 31.7% of the nations income, but pay 58.7% of taxes
    The top 10% of earners take home 43.2% of the nations income, but pay 70.5% of taxes.
    Half of American workers pay no federal income taxes at all.
    The top 1% pay 24%
    The top 5% pay 20%
    The top 10% pay 18%
    The bottom 50% pay 1.85%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you read it in context, you know what he was saying. So I won't insult your intelligence and try and explain it to you, except to say that he was actually making a patriotic statement and your guys are taking him out of context to make it into something that it wasn't. Faux is TERRIBLE for America. They are despicable.
    Well, now that I have read it in context, I think what he really meant is pretty clear, as I posted earlier. You seem to have come to some misinterpretation, so perhaps you would care to enlighten us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPL View Post
    The real problem here is that after reading the whole quote, it appears to me that the quote in its entirety simply builds on the thought represented by the excerpt. As I interpret it, the point seems to be based on a system of beliefs that denies or at least dismisses the importance of individual choices, effort, and accomplishment. This system of beliefs also tends to dismiss the importance of individual RESPONSIBILITY for outcomes. If people aren't responsible for their own success, it logically follows that neither are they responsible for their failures. That leads to a culture of victimhood, helplessness, and envy. All very destructive to a free society.
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    Totally off the mark...
    Really? When was the last time that you heard any liberal leader say to any poor person that perhaps the reason they were poor was that they made bad decisions? That perhaps, had they paid more attention in school, chosen NOT to spend too much time getting drunk or high, chosen not to get pregnant before they were in a position to raise a child without a govt check, etc., their station in life could be different? When was the last time that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Barak Obama said "You want to know who is responsible for your lack of success? First take a good look in the mirror."?

    The liberals are all about lack of individual accountability and shifting blame to someone else, so it seem perfectly logical to me that they would also deny individual credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Horstman View Post
    Liberals do not like to have the facts about President Obama, the Democratic party, and their flawed economic/business philosophy pointed out to them, because then they might actually need to have facts to back up theur argument, and facts are a pesky little problem when they constantly point out that every time we try socialism/communism it ends up being a failure. My question for liberals and the president is why should the CEO of any business pay more than you or me. I have numerous friends and relatives who own their own companies or businesses and in my humble opinion neither you nor I have a right to expect them to pay more because they are successful. You and I weren't there when they were working a full time job while building their company, and we didn't miss birthdays, ball games and Sunday dinners to build something. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping you from doing what those evil CEO's have done. And for those liberals who say that Obamacare (and the health care systems in Canada/UK/France) is not socialist is beyond naive. When the government controls an industry the way they will under Obamacare that is the vey definition of socialism. The biggest problem with our system now is government intervention. If car insurance worked like this plan it would cost five times what I does now. At some point in time you will run out of other people's money. You need to watch "Eat The Rich" on YouTube - even if we confiscated every dollar of wealth from the private sector for one year we couldn't solve our budget problems. The bottom line is we spend to much.

    All you need to do is look at the facts of how our tax rates currently work:
    The top 1% of earners take home 16.9% of the nations income, but pay 36.7% of taxes
    The top 5% of earners take home 31.7% of the nations income, but pay 58.7% of taxes
    The top 10% of earners take home 43.2% of the nations income, but pay 70.5% of taxes.
    Half of American workers pay no federal income taxes at all.
    The top 1% pay 24%
    The top 5% pay 20%
    The top 10% pay 18%
    The bottom 50% pay 1.85%
    Yes facts are pesky. The tea party is extremely upset about taxes being so high. Yet, taxes are lower now than they have been in 80 or 90 years.

    Have your taxes increased or decreased since Obama was elected president.

    And yes, it's a well known fact that only conservatives work hard, start businesses, or know anything about running businesses.

    I loved listening to Rush rip on Obama for having admitted to smoking weed when he was a kid. It was very interesting coming from a guy who was addicted to narcotics...


    And for all you conservatives who are challenged when it comes to reading comprehension, I'll code what Obama said with colors.

    We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …
    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
    So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
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    What do you seem to think you understand that the rest of us don't? Your color code points out what we have been saying. We all had someone that taught us or even helped get the business up and running, but that wasn't the gov't building my buisness. The millitary industrial complex (business) created the internet, not Al Gore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMG 131 View Post
    What do you seem to think you understand that the rest of us don't? Your color code points out what we have been saying. We all had someone that taught us or even helped get the business up and running, but that wasn't the gov't building my buisness. The millitary industrial complex (business) created the internet, not Al Gore.
    Can you show me where it says the government built your business? I'm not seeing it. And yes you got Al Gore there.
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