Originally Posted by HPL
Buzz, I believe that you misunderstood what Gerry was saying here:
3) His statement carries the implication that ANYone (just as smart, just as hard-working
) could do this. But only some do. The ones who do ARE different than those who DO NOT. They should be role models, not pillaged.
So, you don't believe that in America anyone can make it? I'm sorry... So, in your opinion, if they are "just as smart, just as hard working" then what is it that they lack? Yes, they should be role models, but the example they are setting is, country be damned, it's all about me me me.
Gerry was not himself saying that all are as smart and hardworking, he was paraphrasing part of Obama's statement. This perhaps explains to some extent why you also appear to be unable to correctly interpret what Obama said.
As to the Luke quote: I have always liked liked that verse, but had never really noticed that it uses the word "GIVEN" rather than the word "EARNED". In that quote Luke also seems to be downplaying the importance of individual initiative. There are those who believe that any accomplishment is a "Gift" from God, but even then, it's not a gift from the Government.
I don't think I misunderstood her comment. Maybe she can come on here and let me know one way or the other. The only ingredient I can think of that one person "just as smart and just as hard working"
might be missing is an appetite for taking risk, or the self confidence to believe that giving an idea a shot is without risk.
Buzz, I believe you read my thought correctly, that there is some additional ingredient, other than just being smart & hardworking, that makes some very successful, and others not.
Obama's statement ignores the other ingredients. After infrastructure, after smart, after hard work ... there is more. Motivation, ambition, working harder than the other guy, perseverence in adversity, deferred gratification ...
I don't think that all successful people are of the opinion "the country be damned". Many, many successful people give back a lot ... not just in taxes ... but in voluntary charitable donations.