If you have a business, you didn't build that

[BonMallari]

Can you show me where it says the government built your business? I'm not seeing it. And yes you got Al Gore there.

OK Buzz then answer this question:

Who built your business...who is responsible for the success or failure of your business

[PMG 131]

Ok, he never said that the gov't built it. But who is this someone else? My idea, my money, my time.

[caryalsobrook]

Liberals do not like to have the facts about President Obama, the Democratic party, and their flawed economic/business philosophy pointed out to them, because then they might actually need to have facts to back up theur argument, and facts are a pesky little problem when they constantly point out that every time we try socialism/communism it ends up being a failure. My question for liberals and the president is why should the CEO of any business pay more than you or me. I have numerous friends and relatives who own their own companies or businesses and in my humble opinion neither you nor I have a right to expect them to pay more because they are successful. You and I weren't there when they were working a full time job while building their company, and we didn't miss birthdays, ball games and Sunday dinners to build something. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping you from doing what those evil CEO's have done. And for those liberals who say that Obamacare (and the health care systems in Canada/UK/France) is not socialist is beyond naive. When the government controls an industry the way they will under Obamacare that is the vey definition of socialism. The biggest problem with our system now is government intervention. If car insurance worked like this plan it would cost five times what I does now. At some point in time you will run out of other people's money. You need to watch "Eat The Rich" on YouTube - even if we confiscated every dollar of wealth from the private sector for one year we couldn't solve our budget problems. The bottom line is we spend to much.

All you need to do is look at the facts of how our tax rates currently work:
The top 1% of earners take home 16.9% of the nations income, but pay 36.7% of taxes
The top 5% of earners take home 31.7% of the nations income, but pay 58.7% of taxes
The top 10% of earners take home 43.2% of the nations income, but pay 70.5% of taxes.
Half of American workers pay no federal income taxes at all.
The top 1% pay 24%
The top 5% pay 20%
The top 10% pay 18%
The bottom 50% pay 1.85%

Don, Buzz is right when he says that taxes as a percent of GDP has been lowered and was done so with all the tax cuts implemented during the W Bush Administration. Historicallyl, taxes have been about 18% of GDP and are now at a little more that 16% of GDP. Now here is the point that he so wants to ignore. Since the Reagan Administration, the % of the total existing tax burden has been shifted to the middle and upper incomes. Percentage wise those of lower income have had a much larger tax decrease. As my father used to say "everybody can't ride in the wagon, somebody has to pull it." Since the Reagan Admin. those of the upper income have had a larger burden of pulling the load. Liberals want to talk about the tax rate but even when the tax rate was 75-90%, the upper income people had less of a burden of pulling the wagon than they have today. Liberals want allto ignore this fact also. they want you to pay attention to the fact that rates are lower but ignore that the tax burden of the higher income people is higher.

I must admit that I have picked on Buzz often. I have tried to pin him down with question after question, actually knowing the answer but trying to understand why he supports the positions he advocates. To date he has NEVER answered a single question I have asked, not even the simplest of questions. My objective was to try to understand why he holds the views he has, thinking that if one could understand why they held the beliefs they do then maybe there would be some chance to come to some understanding. Like my sister, a retired economics professor, Buzz is a clasic liberal, both of which respond with the attitude that you are too stupid to understand what they are saying or that they do not "want to insult your intelligence by answering. Sound Familiar??

I know what most liberals believe a do everybody do everybody on this forum. What I don't know is why they believe what they do. That is the question that I get no answer. I may as many do, call out Buzz when he states something so outratiously false that I can't pass it up, but asking him to give reasons for his opinions is a waste of time. the best you get is some silly graph with misinterpretation or a graph that is incomplete or false.

PS
His term "Faux News" makes me want to coin the term "Commycrats"

[charly_t]

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PS
His term "Faux News" makes me want to coin the term "Commycrats"[/QUOTE]

I like your term. I have a distant relative by marriage who worked in a government job for many years. She says "dummycrats" when she talks about democrats.

[Buzz]

Don, Buzz is right when he says that taxes as a percent of GDP has been lowered and was done so with all the tax cuts implemented during the W Bush Administration. Historicallyl, taxes have been about 18% of GDP and are now at a little more that 16% of GDP. Now here is the point that he so wants to ignore. Since the Reagan Administration, the % of the total existing tax burden has been shifted to the middle and upper incomes. Percentage wise those of lower income have had a much larger tax decrease. As my father used to say "everybody can't ride in the wagon, somebody has to pull it." Since the Reagan Admin. those of the upper income have had a larger burden of pulling the load. Liberals want to talk about the tax rate but even when the tax rate was 75-90%, the upper income people had less of a burden of pulling the wagon than they have today. Liberals want allto ignore this fact also. they want you to pay attention to the fact that rates are lower but ignore that the tax burden of the higher income people is higher.

I must admit that I have picked on Buzz often. I have tried to pin him down with question after question, actually knowing the answer but trying to understand why he supports the positions he advocates. To date he has NEVER answered a single question I have asked, not even the simplest of questions. My objective was to try to understand why he holds the views he has, thinking that if one could understand why they held the beliefs they do then maybe there would be some chance to come to some understanding. Like my sister, a retired economics professor, Buzz is a clasic liberal, both of which respond with the attitude that you are too stupid to understand what they are saying or that they do not "want to insult your intelligence by answering. Sound Familiar??

I know what most liberals believe a do everybody do everybody on this forum. What I don't know is why they believe what they do. That is the question that I get no answer. I may as many do, call out Buzz when he states something so outratiously false that I can't pass it up, but asking him to give reasons for his opinions is a waste of time. the best you get is some silly graph with misinterpretation or a graph that is incomplete or false.

PS
His term "Faux News" makes me want to coin the term "Commycrats"

I have tried to answer some of your questions, but apparently not to your satisfaction. Honestly, I don't really have time to give you a good answer most of the time. I just stop in here to get my mind onto something else a few times a day, but otherwise I've been working 70-110 hours a week. That doesn't leave me time for much else. I am going to try and start living like a normal person the last half of summer into the fall so I can get out training with my dogs and run them in field trials on the weekends, right up to hunting season. Then I'm going to hunt as much as I can.

I really get a kick out of listening to liberals get characterized as dumb, lazy, or both. We all know that they are incapable of understanding what makes a business go, let alone build and run one.

[Buzz]

I like your term. I have a distant relative by marriage who worked in a government job for many years. She says "dummycrats" when she talks about democrats.

Like I said in my post above, that characterization makes me chuckle.

[caryalsobrook]

I have tried to answer some of your questions, but apparently not to your satisfaction. Honestly, I don't really have time to give you a good answer most of the time. I just stop in here to get my mind onto something else a few times a day, but otherwise I've been working 70-110 hours a week. That doesn't leave me time for much else. I am going to try and start living like a normal person the last half of summer into the fall so I can get out training with my dogs and run them in field trials on the weekends, right up to hunting season. Then I'm going to hunt as much as I can.

I really get a kick out of listening to liberals get characterized as dumb, lazy, or both. We all know that they are incapable of understanding what makes a business go, let alone build and run one.

First of all, I have never characterized liberals as "dumb or lazy", let alone that they are incapable of understanding what makes a business go. You know better than that.

Second, I challenge you to show a post where I have asked you a question and the post where you have answered it. THEN all can decide if you have answered the question.

[Illinois Bob]

[Uncle Bill]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! FINALLY...someone found a way to show the messiah knows what he's talking about! Good job, Bob.


UB

PS...Is this the "truthfullness" Democrats are into, Buzz?

[Illinois Bob]

Thank Jon Lovitz from SNL for that one.