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    Most of us Americans know there are many of you. Subsequently, there are many articles written to give you more knowledge about what is really happening to this once great nation. We can only hope some of you will develope an understanding of the situation, and with new knowledge, have a better explanation for your kids and grandkids when asked. Here's a couple of writer friends whose opinions I find compelling to share.

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    From: John Porter, Harrison, AR
    To: Americans everywhere

    I was sitting at my keyboard halfway through my writing a letter to you about how Barack Obama was fulfilling his pledge to "Transform America" by "Changing the fundamentals of America", so that our government would become the plantation, he the owner, and we the slaves, when this article by Steve McCann appeared in my in box. After checking it for accuracy, and finding it so, I put my writing on hold and here present it to you, for I could not say it better.

    Obama's Second Term Transformation Plans
    The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since 1860. This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack Obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans do not understand that Obama's first term was dedicated to putting in place executive power to enable him and the administration to fulfill the campaign promise of "transforming America" in his second term regardless of which political party controls Congress. That is why his re-election team is virtually ignoring the plight of incumbent or prospective Democratic Party office holders.

    The most significant accomplishment of Obama's first term is to make Congress irrelevant. Under the myopic and blindly loyal leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats have succeeded in creating an imperial and, in a second term, a potential dictatorial presidency.

    During the first two years of the Obama administration when the Democrats overwhelming controlled both Houses of Congress and the media was in an Obama worshipping stupor, a myriad of laws were passed and actions taken which transferred virtually unlimited power to the executive branch.

    The birth of multi-thousand page laws was not an aberration. This tactic was adopted so the bureaucracy controlled by Obama appointees would have sole discretion in interpreting vaguely written laws and enforcing thousands of pages of regulations they and not Congress would subsequently write.

    For example, in the 2,700 pages of ObamaCare there are more than 2,500 references to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. There are more than 700 instances when he or she is instructed that they "shall" do something and more than 200 times when they "may" take at their sole discretion some form of regulatory action. On 139 occasions, the law mentions that the "Secretary determines." In essence one person, appointed by and reporting to the president, will be in charge of the health care of 310 million Americans once ObamaCare is fully operational in 2014.

    The same is true in the 2,319 pages of the Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Act which confers nearly unlimited power on various agencies to control by fiat the nation's financial, banking and investment sectors. The bill also creates new agencies, such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, not subject to any oversight by Congress. This overallprocess was repeated numerous times with other legislation all with the intent of granting unfettered power to the executive branch controlled Barack Obama and his radical associates.

    Additionally, the Obama administration has, through its unilaterally determined rule making and regulatory powers, created laws out of whole cloth. The Environmental Protection Agency on a near daily basis issues new regulations clearly out of their purview in order to modify and change environmental laws previously passed and to impose a radical green agenda never approved by Congress. The same is true of the Energy and Interior Departments among many others.

    None of these extra-constitutional actions have been challenged by Congress. The left in America knows this usurpation of power is nearly impossible to reverse unless stopped in its early stages.

    It is clearly the mindset of this administration and its appointees that Congress is merely a nuisance and can be ignored after they were able to take full advantage of the useful idiots in the Democrat controlled House and Senate in 2009-2010 and the Democrat Senate in the current Congress.

    Additionally, Barack Obama knows after his re-election a Republican controlled House and Senate will not be able to enact any legislation to roll back the power previously granted to the Executive Branch or usurped by them. His veto will not be overridden as there will always be at least 145 Democratic members of the House or 34 in the Senate in agreement with or intimidated by an administration more than willing to use Chicago style political tactics.

    The stalemate between the Executive and Legislative Branches will inure to the benefit of Barack Obama and his fellow leftists.

    The most significant power Congress has is the control of the purse-strings as all spending must be approved by them. However, once re-elected, Barack Obama, as confirmed by his willingness to do or say anything and his unscrupulous re-election tactics, would not only threaten government shutdowns but would deliberately withhold payments to those dependent on government support as a means of intimidating and forcing a Republican controlled Congress to surrender to his demands, thus neutering their ability to control the administration through spending constraints.

    Further, this administration has shown contempt for the courts by ignoring various court orders,e.g. the Gulf of Mexico oil drilling moratorium, as well as stonewalling subpoenas and requests issued by Congress. The Eric Holder Justice Department has become the epitome of corruption as part of the most dishonest and deceitful administration in American history. In a second term the arrogance of Barack Obama and his minions will become more blatant as he will not have to be concerned with re-election.

    Who will be there to enforce the rule of law, a Supreme Court ruling or the Constitution? Nobody; Barack Obama and his fellow-travelers will be unchallenged as they run roughshod over the American people.

    Many Republicans and conservatives dissatisfied with the prospect of Mitt Romney as the nominee for president are instead focused on re-taking the House and Senate. That goal, while worthy and necessary, is meaningless unless Barack Obama is defeated. The nation is not dealing with a person of character and integrity but someone of single-minded purpose and overwhelming narcissism. Judging by his actions, words and deeds during his first term, he does not intend to work with Congress either Republican or Democrat in his second term but rather to force his radical agenda on the American people through the power he has usurped or been granted.

    The governmental structure of the United States was set up by the founders in the hope that over the years only those people of high moral character and integrity would assume the reins of power. However, knowing that was not always possible, they dispersed power over three distinct and independent branches as a check on each other.

    What they could not imagine is the surrender and abdication of its constitutional duty by the preeminent governmental branch, the Congress, to a chief executive devoid of any character or integrity coupled with a judiciary essentially powerless to enforce the law when the chief executive ignores them

    Conservatives, Libertarians, the Republican Party and Mitt Romney must come to grips with this moment in time and their historical role in denying Barack Obama and his minions their ultimate goal. All resources must be directed at that end-game and not merely controlling Congress and the various committee chairmanships.

    Steve McCann
    May 12, 2012

    I would add but 6 words to those above mentioned Conservatives, Libertarians, the Republican Party and Mitt Romney, to say "and we the American people also", must come to grips with this moment in time and our role in denying Barack Obama his lifelong goal of "transforming" us into his slaves working on his government plantation.

    Please forward this to all you can, maybe together we can save America for ourselves and those who will follow after us.

    May God bless America.
    Until next time:
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    Bill, I have been on the fence the last several elections mainly because neither party brought anyone worthwhile to the table, this election I don't see myself on the fence. So as a "fence sitter" this is just another stupid article that brings to mind Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. As a "fence sitter" both parties are doing themselves an injustice on how they are trying to promote their candidate, I in enjoy intelligent arguments that bring facts to the table not some far reaching conspiracy about how Obama is trying to take over the world by privileges placed in the health care bill. Another example is Mitt releasing his taxes, for people are the far right I get how you believe it only makes sense how he should hide them because Obama has hidden everything, from a "fence sitters" point of view Mitt comes across as almost as big of A-hole as Obama in these transparency issues. That "Say What" thread is a prime example of how not to write an article, the writer may have had some good points but he came across as possibly retarded by trying to throw in three insulting words into every sentence. I vole Republican 75% of the time because on most issues I agree with the party, I have never voted for a Democratic Presidential Candidate but the last few elections I couldn't believe how bad the Republican candidates have been, its really been a case of voting for the less of two evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngundog View Post
    Bill, I have been on the fence the last several elections mainly because neither party brought anyone worthwhile to the table, this election I don't see myself on the fence. So as a "fence sitter" this is just another stupid article that brings to mind Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory. As a "fence sitter" both parties are doing themselves an injustice on how they are trying to promote their candidate, I in enjoy intelligent arguments that bring facts to the table not some far reaching conspiracy about how Obama is trying to take over the world by privileges placed in the health care bill. Another example is Mitt releasing his taxes, for people are the far right I get how you believe it only makes sense how he should hide them because Obama has hidden everything, from a "fence sitters" point of view Mitt comes across as almost as big of A-hole as Obama in these transparency issues. That "Say What" thread is a prime example of how not to write an article, the writer may have had some good points but he came across as possibly retarded by trying to throw in three insulting words into every sentence. I vole Republican 75% of the time because on most issues I agree with the party, I have never voted for a Democratic Presidential Candidate but the last few elections I couldn't believe how bad the Republican candidates have been, its really been a case of voting for the less of two evils.

    And that would be anyone but Obama.
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    I'm sure there is someone out there who can clarify this ... by citing other historical examples, so I am willing to listen ...

    What I find disturbing is the President's public statements of the fact that he is unilaterally deciding which laws he will enforce, as with his recent announcement WRT the immigration laws; as with the DOJ refusing to cooperate with AZ as judicially decided was appropriate; as with exercising executive privilege when that "privilege" is limited to those situations that involve advising the President. (so was the President involved in Fast & Furious for some reason, at some point?) Even when the judiciary rules, essentially, in his favor on the individual mandate, he insists that their interpretation is incorrect (failing to mention that if his interpretation is the correct one, it would be have been unconstitutional & eliminated). We should listen only to that part of the SCOTUS ruling that serves the WH purposes? We should dispense with trying to understand the reason for the ruling? Better to dumb it down for us?

    I feel quite sure that someone will find some references to Bush, or predecessors, that used this kind of power.

    Let's throw out reference to ideology, and just say that Obama is narcissistic in presuming that he, as President, can make ultimate decisions and "pronouncements" even when they run counter to the dictates of other two branches of govt. But that is a dangerous precedent to remain unchallenged.

    As for the Romney tax returns, I find it hard to believe that if there were anything shady there, the IRS would have missed it. His would not be an exactly a low-profile tax return. do we believe that the IRS wasn't looking over his tax returns when he was a candidate last time? Do we believe the IRS isn't now going over them with a fine-tooth comb? Do we believe that the Chicago machine would not have already found a way to get any damaging info they wanted? Unsealing "sealed" records is one of their specialties. Not to mention strategic "leaks" that serve their purposes.

    Whether he used tax counselling to pay quite low taxes is really not of consequence, if he did so within the law. So, if he was honest & legal in his tax returns, what does it matter? The fact that he may have made a bazillion dollars is not against the law, in and of itself. It is, however, a way to hammer on divisiveness and class envy for political purposes. So, the campaign's strategy seems to be to make a huge deal out of the fact that the returns have not been made public; establishing the implication that there is something shady there. Works almost as well.

    Heck, we have a guy running the Treasury that we KNOW did not pay his taxes correctly and no one batted an eye. (and I still ask whether we know if he has since paid them) We KNOW Buffett is contesting corporate taxes the IRS says he owes, yet some hold him in high esteem because he believes individuals of high income should pay more (no news yet of Buffett sending his personal check to the U.S. Treasury, since he believes it's the honorable thing to do).

    We even KNOW, by his own admission, that Obama fictionalized his theoretically non-fiction autobiography. I can understand a composite of personality traits in his girlfriends, but transmuting one of his white girlfriends to black seems an unreasonable stretch of the truth to make a point he felt needed to be made, even if it had to be based on fiction.
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    So where do the (fence sitters) get the facts to make an educated decision? I dont think I will ever be a di-hard for either side because I dont believe in the cult like ways of either with or against a certain partys decision . I think it is ridiculous that just because a senator/congress man or any elected position is say a democratic that the rest of the party assumes that they will have their vote on things.Once again it shows me that most politicians are willing to drop their head and raise their hand for a vote just because their party is in favor of it and they want their peers to approve of their actions. I am probably way off but I think the elected officials should be representing their state/district and not their party,it seems that would shed more light on what the people want instead of what the people get.I just dont know.

    As a kid it was common to hear "well if Billie jumped of a bridge would you do it to?" that phrase seems to be needed in politics.

    Hard to jump of the fence when on one side you have a burning fire pit and the other side is a bunch of illegals armed with american guns and no ID's.
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