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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    might want to go here and do some reading. Til then just a few facts Mr Ryan left out.

    Don't matter what party, don't abide by those who don't tell the truth regards.

    Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
    Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
    Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.
    Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz254CyoRb5
    I too saw that earlier on Fox's website but didn't want to post it for fear that many here would have heart failure.

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    The USA's Credit Rating was downgraded because of our massive debt that continues to grow under both parties. How could it be downgraded and blamed on not raising the ceiling when the ceiling was rasied?
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    So is Ryan going to be the president or is Romney. Vice President. Hummmmmmmmmmmm

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    Well if something happens to Romney I would rather see Paul Ryan as Pres than crazy joe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    I too saw that earlier on Fox's website but didn't want to post it for fear that many here would have heart failure.

    A great source for getting the straight answers.
    http://www.factcheck.org/

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    The USA's Credit Rating was downgraded because of our massive debt that continues to grow under both parties. How could it be downgraded and blamed on not raising the ceiling when the ceiling was rasied?
    Hey Franco,

    Ya gotta love our MN delegates sticking to principle and endorsing your guy. Then the RNC goes and does away with the straw polling to continue to stiffle original thought among the new young Repubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    You are attacking his voting record...all you do is attack....the vetting process was the primary season, it was the playoff season...like the BCS bowl system not everyone agrees on who gets in the championship game, but its the current rules in place..Nov 6 can't get here soon enough
    Bon, this thread is about Paul Ryan. There is no way he was vetted during the primary season, since he was only announced well after the primary season was concluded

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    THE FACTS: The administration did not waive the work requirement. Instead, it invited governors to apply on behalf of their states for waivers of administrative requirements in the 1996 law. Some states have complained those rules tie up caseworkers who could be helping clients directly.

    In a July 18 letter to congressional leaders, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that to be eligible for a waiver, governors must commit that their plans will move at least 20 percent more people from welfare to work. Moreover, states must show clear progress toward the goal within a year, or lose the waiver.

    "We will not accept any changes that undercut employment-focused welfare reforms that were signed into law fifteen years ago," Sebelius wrote.

    Ron Haskins, a former senior Republican House aide who helped write the welfare-to-work law, has said "there is merit" to the administration's proposal and "I don't see how you can get to the conclusion that the waiver provision undermines welfare reform and it eliminates the work requirement."

    Haskins, now co-director of the Brookings Center on Children and Families, says the administration was wrong to roll out its proposal without first getting Republicans to sign off on it. But he said the idea itself is one both parties should be able to agree on, were it not for the bitter political divisions that rule Washington."'
    Andrew Grossman, also of Heritage, produced something the MSM “fact checkers” avoid: a specific and detailed explanation of how the new waivers will allow states to evade the work requirements.

    Even Ron Haskins, one of the reform bill’s authors now at the liberal Brookings Institution — cited far and wide for “blasting” Romney’s ad — doesn’t deny the Obama administration plans to waive the work requirements. He just says he supports waivers for “job training.” That’s not disputing the accuracy of Romney’s ads.

    And liberal Kaus — whom liberal hacks are usually plagiarizing from — has written a series of blog posts explaining in detail why the Times is wrong and Romney’s ad is not incorrect. True, he says the ad is “oversimplified,” but I think most people grasp that a 30-second ad will not provide the lush analytical detail of a Kausfiles blog posting.

    Kaus points out that the HHS memo announcing that Sebelius could allow waivers from work for “job training,” “job search” or “pursuing a credential” unquestionably constitutes “a weakening of the work requirement.” He adds that it’s also “unfair to the poor suckers who just go to work without ever going on welfare — they don’t get subsidized while they’re ‘pursuing a credential.’”
    In a follow-up post, Kaus pointed out that the Times’ own editorial denouncing the Romney ad inadvertently revealed that Sebelius was proposing a lot more than “job search” exemptions from the work requirement.
    Both the Times and an HHS memo cheerfully propose allowing hard-to-employ “families” — which are never actual families, by the way — to be “exempted from the work requirements for six months.” Or more than six months. It’s up to Sebelius: “Exempted.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/29/ro...#ixzz255sYr33j
    The part that seems to have gone under the radar is that Sebelius gets a lot of latitude to determine how this particular executive order is actually implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Bon, this thread is about Paul Ryan. There is no way he was vetted during the primary season, since he was only announced well after the primary season was concluded
    fair enough...but the Ryan voting record is relative...he is the VP nominee, he may help influence policy but he will not set policy...people always want to play GOTCHA politics...I look at his body of work while in the House, i think its solid..I think he will make a fine VP, it was the best pick to round out the ticket
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    When looking at Ryan's voting record, you see someone that votes with the establishment.....No orginal thought there. Proposing a budget that is not acceptable by all the parties is a waste of time and shows no real leadership....not an affective CFO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    fair enough...but the Ryan voting record is relative...he is the VP nominee, he may help influence policy but he will not set policy...people always want to play GOTCHA politics...I look at his body of work while in the House, i think its solid..I think he will make a fine VP, it was the best pick to round out the ticket
    Only if one is a Democrat. Again, not much difference between Ryan's voting record and Joe Biden's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Hey Franco,

    Ya gotta love our MN delegates sticking to principle and endorsing your guy. Then the RNC goes and does away with the straw polling to continue to stiffle original thought among the new young Repubs.

    Don't wann be a sheep baa, baa, baa Regards
    Yes I do! When it became obvious to the RNC that Ron Paul could come to the convention with 400 or more delegates, they got nervous and changed the rules overnight. Their interest is in protecting the Establishment candidate and the status quo. RP had 35 of the 43 La delegates and the new rules implemented the day of the caucuses stipped him down to just 17.
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    The elder Paul, who announced earlier this year that he wouldn't seek another House term, was Romney's last active challenger in the Republican presidential race. His campaign's grassroots efforts had won him significant convention representation in a handful of states, though Romney forces succeeded in ousting some of the Paul supporters, including those in the Maine, Louisiana and Oregon delegations.

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