I'm not as surprised as Ken...

[murral stark]

You care to say what difference that would make in the deficit and the increase in the debt? that answer would be interesting!

I'll answer that question with a question. Would you care to say what difference that would make in the deficit and the increase in debt it would make if you don't tax the higher wage earners more and leave the lower wage earners alone? I am not a banker but I would think that if you get more tax money from the people that can afford the extra tax, that would help something out. The tax breaks the big earners are getting now is not creating jobs, only making them richer. As you can tell, I am in the under 250K tax bracket. I'm actually under the $50K tax bracket.

[caryalsobrook]

I'll answer that question with a question. Would you care to say what difference that would make in the deficit and the increase in debt it would make if you don't tax the higher wage earners more and leave the lower wage earners alone? I am not a banker but I would think that if you get more tax money from the people that can afford the extra tax, that would help something out. The tax breaks the big earners are getting now is not creating jobs, only making them richer. As you can tell, I am in the under 250K tax bracket. I'm actually under the $50K tax bracket.

Just to give you some perspective as to the magnatude of the deficit, let me give you some figures. the impact of raising income tax on those making over $250,000 would amount to something like this. Asuming that they would continue to spend the same, investment would decrease since savings are indeed investment in some form, and the economy would not get any worse, the increase in taxes would cover about 4-6 days of the year that the government has to borrow money to pay its bills. That would leave about 145 days of the year that they would STILL have to borrow money to pay their bills.

Now if yo truly wanted the balance the budget with tax increases and assuming that the economy would be no worse and also asuming that the interest rate would remain at about 0%(I left out this assumption when raising taxes), then EVERYBODIES'S taxes would have to be raised about 50%. I don't make $250,000/year either. If you now pay $1,000 in taxes, your taxes would have to go up to $1,500. THAT is the perspective you should think about. THAT is what you should realize when the polititians talk about the budget. THAT is the enormanity of the problem.


I think that might change your perspective.

Let me add; there are 60% less people that make over 10 million a year. there ar3 40% less people that make over 1 million a year. I do not make over $250,000 per year but I do know that if we continue down this road THERE WILL ONLY BE THOSE THAT MAKE LESS THAN $50,000 PER YEAR. And then YOU will be the rich they are talking about!!!

[Ken Bora]

I never said who I'm voting for, Bill. Those were not the poll parameters.-Paul

I never said who I was voting for either!

We (the rtf collective) have great issue with reading comprehension, at times. The last give away by Chris of a new sponsors training vid and my last effort to give away maple syrup are prime examples. I applauded both of you for being able to understand my poll. And Franco I absolutely love your Don Quixote isk voting attitude. However, in the poll I started I felt we, (again the rtf collective) had resigned ourselves to the fact that the coming election was between the two I listed. That is why I listed no 3^rd. Just to clear that up.

[Uncle Bill]

I'll answer that question with a question. Would you care to say what difference that would make in the deficit and the increase in debt it would make if you don't tax the higher wage earners more and leave the lower wage earners alone? I am not a banker but I would think that if you get more tax money from the people that can afford the extra tax, that would help something out. The tax breaks the big earners are getting now is not creating jobs, only making them richer. As you can tell, I am in the under 250K tax bracket. I'm actually under the $50K tax bracket.

YOU??? UNDER $50K??? Ya coulda knocked me over with a feather.

I was actually going to answer this, but I just don't have the strength. Besides, anyone named Murral, that has to have a sig line trying to convince all he's a he, has my sympathies. But Hey, in this era of same sex marriage, things are looking up, so keep waving that Democrat flag, and braying for Obama, and good things are bound to happen right there in cheesehead land. (where does your state find these dudes, Stan?)

UB

[Ken Bora]

(where does your state find these dudes, Stan?)

UB

branching off, has Stan posted in the last few days? **************
hope he didnt fall off of the bike or something.

edit- I expected him to type on the thread I started with a poll.
edit why- I re-read and knew some here would take that the wrong way and jump on it!

[Uncle Bill]

branching off, has Stan posted in the last few days? **************
hope he didnt fall off of the bike or something.

edit- I expected him to type on the thread I started with a poll.
edit why- I re-read and knew some here would take that the wrong way and jump on it!

Agreed! I haven't heard from him recently either.

BTW, Ken, I appreciate your Boorstin quote. How succinctly it fits this message board.

I've had a TR favorite...a little more 'wordy'...that I've always wanted to post here, but keep forgetting. Now seems like the appropriate time and spot.

UB



"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

[Ken Bora]

that is a good one Bill

[murral stark]

YOU??? UNDER $50K??? Ya coulda knocked me over with a feather.

I was actually going to answer this, but I just don't have the strength. Besides, anyone named Murral, that has to have a sig line trying to convince all he's a he, has my sympathies. But Hey, in this era of same sex marriage, things are looking up, so keep waving that Democrat flag, and braying for Obama, and good things are bound to happen right there in cheesehead land. (where does your state find these dudes, Stan?)


UB

I think I told you before, I am actually from your state. So they found me in Mitchell, SD. I think you should go back and read a post that BobMalinari posted to me. some people actually thought that Murral was a girls name. I kinda posted something pretty close to what you just posted and was chastised for it. Not really chastised, just enlightened. I suggested someone from the NW might be part of the rainbow brigade. Now you are here saying the same thing about me. What is your meaning of me being below $50 that could've knocked you over with a feather?
Bob, could you please re-post what you addressed to me, except change the name from me to Uncle Bill?

[JDogger]

I understood your poll, Ken, Hence I voted for the mittens to win. Personally I will not vote for him and Ryan. I believe that what ever happens Nov 6th, the forces of the TP and the GOP will conspire to steal what would be a popular election. (It's happened before.)
Regardless of the outcome, nothing will substantially change.

PS Bill if you care to call me 'angry'....no one can hold a candle to you based on your posts today.

'Just sayin'.... (where have I heard that before?)

JDogger

[Ken Bora]

I take credit for it, it was I that thought Murral was a girl.
See you are a brand new feller and were being a dork.
So... that was that.
Uncle Bill has been here forever and we all know he is a dork. So when he types the same as you typed it is more of a ducks back and water type of thing. If that makes any sence. Actualy it dosen't to me and I just typed it. Lets just say that is the way it is.