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    I would like some suggestions on how to improve my dogs ability to carry lines on blinds at field trial distances. For example: I give a right angle back, the dog turns properly, moves in the right direction but does not dig in and carry that line, causing another whistle and a choppy looking blind.

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    Um central IL? Best thing is to go train with Charlie Hines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Um central IL? Best thing is to go train with Charlie Hines.
    Charlie is close to chicago. Quite a ways from nancy. and Charlie likes to do his own thing.understandable considering he has quite a few nice dogs, and hires his own help. My guess Nancy is looking for suggestions she can do on her own.
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    Well, come on, I'd love to hear some answers!
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    This is a drill I do from the time the pup is in transition 'til I retire the dog. I'll do it 3-4 times a week with the transition dog until they are smooth on it at this first field. Then I'll take it to another field and do it again. It'll take ~2 weeks in the first field to become smooth. Then maybe a week in another field to become smooth. With my big dogs I might only do it once a week and miss a week now and then but I do do it all their competitive lives.

    First I'll send to each pile from my side usually an over then the angle to the same side then the other over and then the angle to that side and finally the back pile. 5 total sends from my side. I'll then leave the dog on the line and walk ~ 10 yards away from them and cast to each pile. With youngsters I do it in order over, angle, then straight back all to either the left or the right. Then I'll do the same to the other side. Once they've been smooth on this drill for a few weeks at different fields I'll start mixing up the casts, that is left over followed by a right back etc. I don't burn, get mad, or show temper on this drill It's hard and all those piles and old blinds are distractions to the dog. I will not let them take a wrong cast but stop them as soon as I see them taking the wrong cast. I then repeat the cast. If I get a 2nd missed cast I'll move the dog up towards the pile simplifying it. I do not pound and pound on this drill in one day expecting them to get it right the first day. I only line each pile once and cast to each pile once except the back pile which gets a right and a left straight back. Altogether I only put out 11 bumpers per each time I do it. I figure I do it enough the casts will come in time and they always have.

    I learned this drill at Jim Gonia's McKenna kennel when I had a youngster there. I brought her home for the summer and Jim or his assistant told me to keep this drill going during the summer. I set it up twice a week for the pup and since I was setting it up anyway also did my older dog, my first retriever, too. My first dog wouldn't hold a cast worth a darn. After a couple of weeks of doing this drill I realized that what used to be 7 or 8 whistle blinds with him were now becoming 3 and 4 whistle blinds. He was taking better casts and holding them longer.

    You have to keep a high standard of casting in the field. You give an angle insist on it. You give an over do not accept an angle or an over and then a scallop. I do literal casting and insist the dog take the literal cast in training.


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    Thank You Howard! Thats exactly what I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    You have to keep a high standard of casting in the field. You give an angle insist on it. You give an over do not accept an angle or an over and then a scallop.
    I find this is key in most all casting drill and very important.

    I too do a drill very similar to Howards once a week with good results. I also use a ladder type drill on angles to get them really stretched out.
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    Howard as a follow up to your drill.
    Once your dog is more advance you can reuse this same drill but instead of intersection 10 yards out make it 200 yards. Only difference is you have a helper sitting near intersection to receive dog and sit him back on the spot. Gives you a lot of long distance casting work without dog coming in.
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    Funny Howard, I was just doing that drill last night with Mick, just starting on it with him. I learned it from Ed Krueger. We used to go do it out on frozen snow covered ponds in the winter. I started thinking about this drill again last week when I didn't get an over off of a dirt mound that I needed in the Amateur water blind the weekend before last. I was in good company I guess...
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