Great topic and some great input. Keep it going!!
I don't have enough fields to set up 100 yard overs every place I do it. But!!!!! I want the long overs to get the dogs used to going over long distances. You almost never need an over when running a blind but when you do a scallop can kill you over a dike, hit that piece of cover or terrain, or something. If you get 100 yard overs in a drill you can get an honest 10 yard over in a trial and that can save your bacon. I know my first dog only gave me 5 or 6 yard overs before he's scallop before I started doing this drill with him when he was 4 years old. His overs improved by a factor of 3 or 4 after a month of this drill 2 times a week.
If I didn't have a field I could set up 100 yard overs, I'd set up what I could. Running 50 yard overs in this drill is better than not running this drill at all. IMO anyway, I never actually had to do them that short.
Last edited by Howard N; 09-14-2012 at 01:31 PM.
You really gotta be careful about how high a pedestal you put your method, your accomplishments, your dog on. There's usually someone who's done more, somewhere. And they may have used a different method than you did! Chris Atkinson 2013
get your dog out and TRAIN! caryalsobrook 2013
makes sense thanks for the explanation
These have been great answers. As I see it, the original drill with 5 casts posted is extremely helpful in getting the casts straightened out. I run a similar drill, but I am going to adjust mine to be more like the one posted. Once you nail down this drill in a few flat fields, you could move it to where some of the casts deal with more factors, even water.
This is the advantage of walking baseball, though. You can run any cast through any factor. When we run walking baseball, we do 8 casts (left back, right back. left angle back, right angle back, left over, right over, left hunt in, right hunt in) every time. If a dog shows me an issue with one of the casts, I will re-run that cast before moving on to the next.
I'm hoping we get some more great advice on this thread! A lot of folks have yet to weigh in.
I'm not looking for any more validation. Anything added would not be a validation, just further ideas. Maybe someone has another drill or something that has worked for them. Several of these "training help" threads go on for 6-7 pages. I'm sorry, but I'd rather people keep adding ideas to a thread like this than read 10 pages of arguing over whether a British Hunt Test Amateur Dog is better than a FC American Pro Dog who only eats such and such... you get the idea.
Just wanted folks to keep weighing in with training ideas on a training thread... Sorry!