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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    I bet you wish we would go back to only men voting and then back to only land owners. That would do away with your problem with the women vote and the 47% Romney does not care about since a large percentage of them lost their homes and are renting until they get back on their feet.
    That is simply a ridiculous comment.

    Truth is the vast majority of legal voters already have an acceptable photo ID! Only a small portion of legitimate voters do not have it. And many arrangements are being made to help that small portion of the population get one.

    The only difference is now the vast majority will be showing that photo ID they ALREADY have when they go to vote, and signing the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    That is simply a ridiculous comment.

    Truth is the vast majority of legal voters already have an acceptable photo ID! Only a small portion of legitimate voters do not have it. And many arrangements are being made to help that small portion of the population get one.

    The only difference is now the vast majority will be showing that photo ID they ALREADY have when they go to vote, and signing the book.
    Voting is a constitutional right. Pretty sure there is no where in the constitution that says you must have a government issued photo ID to vote. People cry and complain about infringing on constitutional rights, yet if it is going to get more votes for a chosen candidate as opposed to the candidate somebody else wants, it's ok to step on the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murral stark View Post
    Voting is a constitutional right. Pretty sure there is no where in the constitution that says you must have a government issued photo ID to vote. People cry and complain about infringing on constitutional rights, yet if it is going to get more votes for a chosen candidate as opposed to the candidate somebody else wants, it's ok to step on the constitution.
    How can anyone be inept enough to NOT have an ID in todays world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    How can anyone be inept enough to NOT have an ID in todays world?
    I wasn't talking about somone's ineptitude, I was talking about constitutional rights and no constitutional requirement to have a govt issued photo ID. some people have birth certificates and ss cards and other forms of identification, but not a govt issued photo id.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murral stark View Post
    I wasn't talking about somone's ineptitude, I was talking about constitutional rights and no constitutional requirement to have a govt issued photo ID. some people have birth certificates and ss cards and other forms of identification, but not a govt issued photo id.
    you suppose they carry those birth certificates around when they cash checks and buy cigarrettes etc?...
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    Murral, I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make with your last post but are you saying that since voter id is not included in the Constitution then it is should not be allowed? So much for State's rights! How do we know you are the real Murral Stark? I mean without proper identification you could be someone else. You could really be a girl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachmo View Post
    Murral, I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make with your last post but are you saying that since voter id is not included in the Constitution then it is should not be allowed? So much for State's rights! How do we know you are the real Murral Stark? I mean without proper identification you could be someone else. You could really be a girl!
    I'm like Mitt Romney, "you're just going to have to trust me that I am not a girl." So you believe that a state's laws supercede the constitution of the United States? The presidential election is a national election, is it not. Do you want someone trampling your 2nd amendment rights? Or are we now just picking which constitutional rights we want to be left alone? "Don't tread on my speech, or gun rights. But go ahead and make sure those other people have a government ID so they can vote. If they don't have a govt ID they're gonna vote against the guy I want elected, so don't let them vote, to he*& with their constitutional rights."

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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    you suppose they carry those birth certificates around when they cash checks and buy cigarrettes etc?...
    I always have a copy of my birth certificate with me and my SS card, as well as my work ID and driver's license. Remember that not everybody has a drivers license though. I haven't ever been carded for cigarettes or chew, and since I don't drink, that's not a problem either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachmo View Post
    Murral, I'm not exactly sure what point you were trying to make with your last post but are you saying that since voter id is not included in the Constitution then it is should not be allowed? So much for State's rights! How do we know you are the real Murral Stark? I mean without proper identification you could be someone else. You could really be a girl!
    I believe Chris hopes and believes he has solved the problem of fraudulent or duplicate RTF registrations. If he can do it, surely county clerks can as well

    I have no problem with voter photo ID, but I know that in some precincts in my state a current utility bill is all that is required as an ID.

    ie; when I take trash to the municipal transfer station.

    If you go to a payday loan or rent to own facility they will give you credit on a current utility bill.

    Do I believe that all should have a valid photo ID? Of course I do. Here in NM, sometimes refered to as the fourth world, however, many old-time legitimate immigrants do not. What they have is a reciept for property taxes paid, (or in arrears, it happens...), and that is accepted by the county clerk as ID because their names appear on the voter roles and have for as long as they have known them. Gramma knows Gramma as surely as Ken's long dead uncle.
    Is our system perfect? NO.
    States have the right to implement requirements as they see fit. Some will past muster by the SCOTUS, some will not.

    When you consider it though...our cell phones and SSN and ISP has already stripped us of our privacy.

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