The RetrieverTraining.Net Forums The Retriever Academy
Total Retriever Training with Mike Lardy
Hawkeye Media Gunners Up Tritronics Outdoor Media
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: Rowdy (by Pirate) Improvements

  1. #1
    Senior Member Wayne Nutt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Posts
    4,410

    Default Rowdy (by Pirate) Improvements

    Breck gave me some constructive comments of my run on this setup last Friday. We made some improvements but I still messed up some things:
    Looking up at zinger on second mark
    Not getting as square as I should have to the first zinger
    And several others

    But there was some positive.
    Coming to heel and holding the dummy.

    Somethings I tried that didn't work yet. Having him hold the dummy until just before launch on the second mark. He dropped it just as I hit the buzzer. I couldn't bend over and pick it up but kicked it behind me. This caused some confusion on him coming to heel the second time. But in a second run he was steady.

    So, I didn't get all of Brecks comments accomplished but I did see some improvement. I appreciate his comments.
    Going to go and start ff now.


    Wayne Nutt
    Go Nutts with dog training

    HRCH Patton's Parker Co. Shadow "Shadow"
    HRCH Clineline Hijacker "Jack"
    HRCH Marks a Lot Midnight Hudson, SH "Hudson"-retired
    Castile Creek's Rawhide, SH "Rowdy"

  2. #2
    Senior Member 2tall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Taos, New Mexico
    Posts
    8,051

    Default

    Wayne, it may be just the view from the camera, but it looked like the second mark was thrown "in", towards pup. I have always been told to have the throws at least flat from the gunner, or better "back" so the pup has to run past the gun. Was this intentional, and if so why? Check down? Kind of surprises me for young pup, but I'm always willing to learn.
    Carol,
    Owned and handled by Cruisin' with Indiana Jones, JH
    Alternate Handler: Westwind Buffalo Soldier
    Apprentice Handler: Snake River Medicine Man, JH
    http://newhoperetrievers.com

  3. #3
    Senior Member Wayne Nutt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Posts
    4,410

    Default

    2tall, It was intended to be flat but the wind caught it and blew it in.
    Wayne Nutt
    Go Nutts with dog training

    HRCH Patton's Parker Co. Shadow "Shadow"
    HRCH Clineline Hijacker "Jack"
    HRCH Marks a Lot Midnight Hudson, SH "Hudson"-retired
    Castile Creek's Rawhide, SH "Rowdy"

  4. #4
    Senior Member Wayne Nutt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Posts
    4,410

    Default

    Rowdy was six months old on Sunday.
    Wayne Nutt
    Go Nutts with dog training

    HRCH Patton's Parker Co. Shadow "Shadow"
    HRCH Clineline Hijacker "Jack"
    HRCH Marks a Lot Midnight Hudson, SH "Hudson"-retired
    Castile Creek's Rawhide, SH "Rowdy"

  5. #5
    Senior Member Howard N's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Anchorage, AK
    Posts
    7,687

    Default

    Wayne, What about that creeping on the 2nd bird? I wouldn't allow that, steady is steady. Once I teach steady, I require steady. A little creep like that can lead to bigger ones in tests and trials. I would correct as soon as I saw his front feet moving.
    Howard Niemi

    You really gotta be careful about how high a pedestal you put your method, your accomplishments, your dog on. There's usually someone who's done more, somewhere. And they may have used a different method than you did! Chris Atkinson 2013

    get your dog out and TRAIN! caryalsobrook 2013

  6. #6
    Senior Member Wayne Nutt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Posts
    4,410

    Default

    Howard, You're right. I missed an opportunity for a correction.
    Wayne Nutt
    Go Nutts with dog training

    HRCH Patton's Parker Co. Shadow "Shadow"
    HRCH Clineline Hijacker "Jack"
    HRCH Marks a Lot Midnight Hudson, SH "Hudson"-retired
    Castile Creek's Rawhide, SH "Rowdy"

  7. #7
    Senior Member Matthew J. Ries's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    TX, USA
    Posts
    177

    Default

    Good looking drill Wayne, how did you teach the return to heel? Somewhere between fun bumpers and focusing on obedience & FF my same aged pup has terrible manners upon arrival. I am thinking of going back to a checkcord and reel her into desired finished position, thoughts?
    Matthew Ries, Pharm.D.

    Poole's Matador's Maggie May (04/14/2012 - Present)
    Lacakota Super Magnum (02/20/2002 - 07/2010)

  8. #8
    Senior Member Wayne Nutt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Ft. Worth, TX
    Posts
    4,410

    Default

    Howard, The reason I missed the correction is because I was looking at the winger not the dog. I reran the setup and he was better. I was ready for a creep but it didn't happen.



    I did get a front foot movment but his butt remained firmly in place. What do you think, should I have quirked him on the front foot movement?

    We worked Saturday on drills on coming to heel on a mat with a check cord at first.
    Wayne Nutt
    Go Nutts with dog training

    HRCH Patton's Parker Co. Shadow "Shadow"
    HRCH Clineline Hijacker "Jack"
    HRCH Marks a Lot Midnight Hudson, SH "Hudson"-retired
    Castile Creek's Rawhide, SH "Rowdy"

  9. #9
    Senior Member Breck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Elverson, PA
    Posts
    2,436

    Default

    Wayne, what an improvement over the video from thur or fri. Very good.
    Anyone following this thread if you review the vid from the other day vs today you will get an idea what I asked Wayne to work on in my PM.
    Great improvement in handling. The little movement forward by the dog is minor. No stick. Try a low bump on the e-collar saying heel softly and see if he moves back just with that. Actually, transition away from using the stick and use pinch collar with a bit more finesse. more on that later.

    Wayne, one additional thing I would have you do differently is how you take the bumper from the dog. The key word here is Take when it should be Give.
    Taking the bumper from the dogs right or closest to you as well as pulling bumper up and out of dogs mouth will cause several problems.
    One, you want the dog looking out into the field and never up at you and two you can cause mouthing issues.
    Simple solution is to ask the dog to Give you the bumper vs taking it from him.
    After dog comes to heel and settles into a sit, reach over dogs head with left hand and take hold of bumper (rope preferably). Just hold it and do nothing. Hold hand still and ask dog to give. Bumper should fall out of dogs mouth and if you're holding rope it will swing towards the ground like a pendulum.
    Lots of reasons this is a good way to take delivery of the bird.
    cheers

    PS
    Good job handling the dog this time. While fiddling with the remote try not to get stick in dogs view.
    Last edited by Breck; 10-01-2012 at 06:32 PM.
    "Darla" AFC Candlewoods Lil Smokin Tequila (2002-2013)(fondly remembered)
    "Smoke" Smokin Auggies Menace, QAA (2003- )(retired nut case, ask Rando)
    "Simba" Humewood Simba (1999-2014)(my 1st dog)

    .
    Per favore, non mi rompere i coglioni.
    Grazie




  10. #10
    Senior Member Charles C.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Marshall, TX
    Posts
    1,593

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 2tall View Post
    Wayne, it may be just the view from the camera, but it looked like the second mark was thrown "in", towards pup. I have always been told to have the throws at least flat from the gunner, or better "back" so the pup has to run past the gun. Was this intentional, and if so why? Check down? Kind of surprises me for young pup, but I'm always willing to learn.
    Throwing predominantly angled back throws is a good way to teach a dog to run at the gun and blow through the fall area.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •