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    Is using Direct Pressure for a cast refusal effective?
    How and when would it be used?

    The question assumes an advanced dog (clearly knows the cast) that has been corrected with first, attrition and second, indirect pressure, but still refuses the cast.

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    It works for me but you need to be careful that you're not hammering a dog that is giving effort.

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    I would not use direct pressure in this situation. I would use attrition. Toot, toot, the dog in with a nic or burn. Stop and repeat the cast until you get it. Just keep chipping away. Don't let them go anywhere other then in the direction you direct them to.

    Direct pressure can be very effective but in my opinion not in this situation. If you were to use it how would you?

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    To be clear what do you mean by cast refusal?

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    Cast Refusal: Dog is in the front sit position in the field. Handler gives a "right over" cast. Dog turns straight back and begins independent hunt (due to some diversion/distraction/suction).

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    Sarge you must have some thoughts about it hence your question?

    How were you thinking of possibly using it?

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    Last edited by Angie B; 10-09-2012 at 05:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    Cast Refusal: Dog is in the front sit position in the field. Handler gives a "right over" cast. Dog turns straight back and begins independent hunt (due to some diversion/distraction/suction).

    So,, Sarge

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    It would seam to me that dogs forced on back through basics would have a tendency to dig back if forced in conjunction with a cast. Also, how did the dog get in a position to need an over. You must have had a series if refusals, slipped whistles, and/or loopy sits. Was that the case?

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    Would you consider moving closer to the dog?>
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    The question posed was "Is using direct pressure for a cast refusal effective?" and "How and when would it be used?"
    In an attempt to teach a dog to avoid posion birds, suction and other distractions it may become necessary to stop the dog and cast away from the suction. Indirect pressure as Angie describes is a preferred method. However, a professional trainer suggested direct pressure as an escalated alternative.

    What I might do is not relevant since I am a novice.
    A definition of "cast refusal" was requested and one was provided. it is not specific to any situation.

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