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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    No, the American people are not stakeholders in my business. I can quit. I can tell the employeed and the consumers THAT I QUIT, and not you or Obama or the American people have any say if I choose to quit. I can tell the American people, the gov., Obama, the consumer and even you that you must go somewhere else for my product or services.

    As to access to goods and services of China, Japan, ect., you are actually trying to deny the consumer access to goods and services they choose to buy to make their life better. You would hurt the consumer just as much as the supplier. History has shown that those who choose not to compete constantly ask for protectionism and that lowers the standard of living for the rest of the population. It never has worked and never will.
    Yes they are...your business does well and americans benefit from the taxes you pay on your profits. The people you employee benefit from the jobs you make for them to work. Americans benefit from your goods or services. Those are stakeholds because they have a stake in your sucess. Now if you are so selfish that you don't want to share your sucess by giving jobs, paying taxes, and providing a good product. Please close your business because you are no good to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    Yes they are...your business does well and americans benefit from the taxes you pay on your profits. The people you employee benefit from the jobs you make for them to work. Americans benefit from your goods or services. Those are stakeholds because they have a stake in your sucess. Now if you are so selfish that you don't want to share your sucess by giving jobs, paying taxes, and providing a good product. Please close your business because you are no good to anyone.
    Typical socialist response. You tell my employees that I paid them in order to be good to them and share with them, they would tell you quickly that they earned every penny that I paid them and I did not share anything with them NOR DID I GIVE THEM JOBS. Actually they would consider your concept as an insult to their abilities and work ethic. I owe them compensation for which I have agreed and they owe me the services for which we have agreed. They owe me no more and no less. I owe them no more and no less. The word "holder" implies ownership. There is no common ownership between us, only a contract between us.

    You as a consumer can take your business somewhere else and I as a business owner can tell you to do so if I choose, so long as my reasons are not based on race, religion or creed. I can tell you "no Obama tee shirts in my place of business if I so choose and if you don't like it you can choose to leave. You hold no ownership in my business and I hold no ownership of you as a consumer, that is unless you live in a socialistcountry such as the former Soviet Union, N. Korea or maybe Cuba. Thank goodness that so far we don't live in such a contry and I hope I never will. It appears as if you would like to live in such a country.
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    Unfortunately it seems this is the path many Americans would like to see us go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachmo View Post
    Unfortunately it seems this is the path many Americans would like to see us go down.
    Only so long as they think someone else will pull the wagon for them, especially if someone else will buy the wagon for them to ride too.

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    It amazes me how they keep defending this mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    Only so long as they think someone else will pull the wagon for them, especially if someone else will buy the wagon for them to ride too.
    That "wagon" is hauling a load of manure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    That "wagon" is hauling a load of manure.
    Actually Bill, I sort of dissagree with you. It is the liberals, progressives, socialists, you know who I am talking about. They like to give little anecdotes of individuals they have supposedly helped through the goberment, so let me give one.

    A young man with the wonderous of dreams came into my office seeking treatment. He is totally blind, and also has MS. He was a college student majoring in math maintaining almost a 4.0 GPA. He had the dream of eventually teaching math at the Tn School for the Blind. Having a degree in math, I could not imagine one who could cope with such a major being blind. He was truly someone who I felt deserved help in realizing his dream. So I gave him a little help and watched with admiration as he successfully achieved his degree in math. Now years later, he sits in an appartment, playing video games, eating food, wearing clothes, enjoying heat and air compliments of the taxpayor. The gov. says why have a dream so hard to achieve when all can be paid by the taxpayor? Why should you try to achieve such a noble goal especiailly since you might fail and besides you are handicaped and the gov. will pay all that for you? His uncle is a good friend of mine and we have discussed this at length. His dreams have been stolen. His self worth has been destroyed. We as society have lost but not nearly as much as he. I must admit there was a time I questioned my desire to help even one so gifted. But I must not let the gov. corrupt me also. They will not steal my soul. They will not take away my gift of the opportunity to help those who will help themselves. Ridicule those who would call one a victim. Ignore those who would steal your dreams. Fear not failure, and welcome the opportunity to succeed. Remember the definition of success is one who gets up the last time they fall down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    Actually Bill, I sort of dissagree with you. It is the liberals, progressives, socialists, you know who I am talking about. They like to give little anecdotes of individuals they have supposedly helped through the goberment, so let me give one.

    A young man with the wonderous of dreams came into my office seeking treatment. He is totally blind, and also has MS. He was a college student majoring in math maintaining almost a 4.0 GPA. He had the dream of eventually teaching math at the Tn School for the Blind. Having a degree in math, I could not imagine one who could cope with such a major being blind. He was truly someone who I felt deserved help in realizing his dream. So I gave him a little help and watched with admiration as he successfully achieved his degree in math. Now years later, he sits in an appartment, playing video games, eating food, wearing clothes, enjoying heat and air compliments of the taxpayor. The gov. says why have a dream so hard to achieve when all can be paid by the taxpayor? Why should you try to achieve such a noble goal especiailly since you might fail and besides you are handicaped and the gov. will pay all that for you? His uncle is a good friend of mine and we have discussed this at length. His dreams have been stolen. His self worth has been destroyed. We as society have lost but not nearly as much as he. I must admit there was a time I questioned my desire to help even one so gifted. But I must not let the gov. corrupt me also. They will not steal my soul. They will not take away my gift of the opportunity to help those who will help themselves. Ridicule those who would call one a victim. Ignore those who would steal your dreams. Fear not failure, and welcome the opportunity to succeed. Remember the definition of success is one who gets up the last time they fall down.

    I agree. That's exactly what I was trying to get at.

    PS. I remember that story from another time you told it... Either here or the other forum.
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    A young man with the wonderous of dreams came into my office seeking treatment. He is totally blind, and also has MS. He was a college student majoring in math maintaining almost a 4.0 GPA. He had the dream of eventually teaching math at the Tn School for the Blind. Having a degree in math, I could not imagine one who could cope with such a major being blind. He was truly someone who I felt deserved help in realizing his dream. So I gave him a little help and watched with admiration as he successfully achieved his degree in math. Now years later, he sits in an appartment, playing video games, eating food, wearing clothes, enjoying heat and air compliments of the taxpayor. The gov. says why have a dream so hard to achieve when all can be paid by the taxpayor? Why should you try to achieve such a noble goal especiailly since you might fail and besides you are handicaped and the gov. will pay all that for you? His uncle is a good friend of mine and we have discussed this at length. His dreams have been stolen. His self worth has been destroyed. We as society have lost but not nearly as much as he. I must admit there was a time I questioned my desire to help even one so gifted. But I must not let the gov. corrupt me also. They will not steal my soul. They will not take away my gift of the opportunity to help those who will help themselves. Ridicule those who would call one a victim. Ignore those who would steal your dreams. Fear not failure, and welcome the opportunity to succeed. Remember the definition of success is one who gets up the last time they fall down.
    So is he not working because he can't find a job or because he thinks he shouldn't have to work because taxpayers will support him?
    All success belongs to the dog, all failure to the trainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PamK View Post
    So is he not working because he can't find a job or because he thinks he shouldn't have to work because taxpayers will support him?
    It is difficult for me to decide to take your post serious or not. If I take it serious then I would respond that no, he never applied for a job. He sits in an apartment playing video games no less. He can go through to whole Super Mario game just by listening to the music. As to the rest, just reread the post with these two facts in mind.

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