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    Quote Originally Posted by PamK View Post
    Big Gaps in Romney's plan for preexsisting conditions

    http://news.yahoo.com/big-gaps-romne...-election.html
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Mitt Romney's plan to help people with pre-existing medical conditions: hang on to your health insurance if you want to be protected.

    The GOP presidential candidate wants to help those who maintain continuous coverage, a fraction of a much bigger group of people at risk of getting turned down because of medical problems.

    Here's the catch: If you had a significant break in coverage, an insurer still could delve into your health care record, looking for anything — from a bad back to high blood pressure — that foreshadows future claims. They'd be able to turn you down.
    I have no issue wth that!! One of the main problems with the BUMACES rules were a person could skip having coverage (pay the cheaper penalty) and then get coverage as soon as something happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    I have no issue wth that!! One of the main problems with the BUMACES rules were a person could skip having coverage (pay the cheaper penalty) and then get coverage as soon as something happened.
    All this paying the penalty stuff apparently is made up...none of the management of companies I bank are talking about this.

    Sounds stupid anyway...pay penalty and have no coverage

    Or buy insurance and have coverage

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    Quote Originally Posted by PamK View Post
    Really.

    Most preexisting conditions are not caused by bad habits.
    Diabetes, many types of cancer heart disease etc etc etc are lifestyle effected. Many other pre existing conditions are caused by our own "preventative" medical care. Ie autoimmune disorders....... Children whose parents smoke much higher incidence of asthma..... Most of our healthcare problems personal and in our society are caused by choices made by individuals or our society......

    By the way, Good luck getting in to a doctor as a Medicare patient when reimbursements get cut by 30%
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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    All this paying the penalty stuff apparently is made up...none of the management of companies I bank are talking about this.

    Sounds stupid anyway...pay penalty and have no coverage

    Or buy insurance and have coverage

    Actually it does make sense, by being able to buy insurance with a pre existing condition, I can not buy insurance while I am young and healthy, risk paying the 600 dollar penalty as opposed to a monthly premium, then buy insurance. When I get diagnosed with cancer. The ability to buy with pre existing is in fact insurance that only costs the penalty fine tax what ever you call it to be able to pay for insurance only when I need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    He is not cutting medicare a dime. He is reducing what medicare pays to doctors and hospitals as a way of extending the life of medicare. I think he should raise the tax too.

    Another lie out of the Romney camp
    And you don't think that cutting reimbursement 30% will limit your choices????!

    You are very naive if you do not think fewer doctors will participate in Medicare. Medicare already pays about 60 %. Of regular insurance, Cut it thirty percent and see how many doctors opt out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limiman12 View Post
    And you don't think that cutting reimbursement 30% will limit your choices????!

    You are very naive if you do not think fewer doctors will participate in Medicare. Medicare already pays about 60 %. Of regular insurance, Cut it thirty percent and see how many doctors opt out.
    They have been changing the medicare and medicade payment structure for years and doctors and hospitals still play. Everytime they say they won't but they do. This is just the first time you have noticed since the republicans are trying to scare old folks into thinking that they can not get medicare. The vouchers is kind of like GW plan to privatize SS...It will fail people.

    As for the penalty. Don't you think if folks play this game you are talking about that they will increase the penalty? duh

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    Pam you bring up a very good point.

    Folks need to look at this for what is best for them instead of this ideology that the republicans are going to balance the budget, reduce the national debt and do this by cutting out wellfare. Never has happened nor will it happen. So vote for the guy that wants to make healthcare more available. If you are old or getting old, do you want someone in there that wants to cut the programs for the older folks so they can keep giving money to the pentagon. Do you want someone in the whitehouse that wants to do away with the safety nets for the working class folks. It is easy to say you don't need this stuff now but as we get older and life changes our situation, these safety nets become important.
    So what safety net has Romney said he would take away...... I think his plan is to actually get them out of the safety net by getting them a job, not getting oping away with the net. In fact a quote that has been twisted was in the repub primaries he said he was not worried about the poor because th was a safety net in place for them......
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    Quote Originally Posted by limiman12 View Post
    So what safety net has Romney said he would take away...... I think his plan is to actually get them out of the safety net by getting them a job, not getting oping away with the net. In fact a quote that has been twisted was in the repub primaries he said he was not worried about the poor because th was a safety net in place for them......
    Change medicare to a voucher.


    Presidents don't create jobs, so he can promise jobs all he wants but jobs will come when there is need for jobs. No republican president has passed an energy bill yet...even GW couldn't with his republican congress majority.

    The problem in this country is not lack of jobs...its lack of jobs people know how to do. People have to retool themselves. I wonder how many folks are working in the oil field for the first time now? Anyway re-training takes time.

    That is the reason unemployment benefits were extended so folks could learn how to do other jobs. Don't say that folks are abusing them. The people that don't want to work can't hold a job long enough to get those benefits.

    Who benefits from the farm bill the most...the midwest and I'm sure Conagra, Tysons, Cargill and others want them to pass the current farm bill with all its foodstamps too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    Change medicare to a voucher.


    Presidents don't create jobs.

    HaHaHa!!! It took you 4 years to figure that out??

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    This is what you can look forward to under obamacare. Under Obamacare, soon enough, seniors will be lined up behind welfare mothers in trying to find doctors who will see them, and hospitals that will admit them. These cuts affect seniors already retired today, not just those years into the future. Romney/ryan will not affect anyone over 55 Medicare would provide these seniors with a premium support payment they could use to pay for, or offset, the premium of the private health insurance they chose, providing at least the exact same benefits as Medicare. That premium support payment is set by competitive bidding under rules ensuring it will be enough to pay for at least two of the competing plans providing at least the same benefits as Medicare. Or seniors, even in the future, could just stay in Medicare just like it is today.
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