Oct 11 - tonight's VP debate. WATCH IT !

**caryalsobrook** · 10-13-2012, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by zeus3925

Another factcheck:
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...al-debate?lite

I guess someone should fact check the fact check, which you evidently dod not check. Just for giggles, which budget was Biden talking about? the 2 budgets that the house has passed in the last 2 years or the budget under GWB? Or was he talking about Obama's budget proposal that was voted down in the senate 97-0 where not even a single democrat voted in favor? Or was it the other budget prosal Obama submitted that was not even voted on? Fact is Obama is to my knowledge the only President who has served a full term and not ever had a budget passed. Considering that he had a super majority in the Senate and a majority in the house and passed the stimulus, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank Finantial bill, he never took the time to see that a budget was passed.

Just so more of the HS that the dems via biden have put forth, and so much for your 'FACT CHECK"

**gmhr1** · 10-13-2012, 09:38 AM

Fact checkers are like ticks they are all over the place and they all lean left or right

**Gerry Clinchy** · 10-13-2012, 10:37 AM

Most of the fact-checkers seem to be incomplete ... NBC, for example, only touched on a few items, and left many others unaddressed. Not to mention the fact that any $300 million cut in one of Ryan's budgets meant NOTHING, since such budget was never passed by the Senate. All D's rejecting Obama's most recent budget sent to Congress.

The battle cry is still that the R's are obstructionist. So how do they explain no Dems voting for Obama's budget?

More interesting to me was reading some of the comments ... presumably the comments are made by people who have read the article. Most of the comments indicate that those commenting don't give a RA for the major Biden's major blunders ... that Biden was outright lying about not having voted for the two wars.

It seems that extremes of either side reject any facts that interfere with their "rationalizations". It seems more rational for each side to acknowledge the bloopers of both sides, and then evaluate them. Of course, it's entirely possible that rational thought has no place in politics.

**charly_t** · 10-14-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy

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It seems that extremes of either side reject any facts that interfere with their "rationalizations". It seems more rational for each side to acknowledge the bloopers of both sides, and then evaluate them. Of course, it's entirely possible that rational thought has no place in politics.

I see emotional attachment by most people to their party/candidate of choice. Mostly it is very sad but sometimes it's funny. Blindly loyal to their pick most of the time.

**road kill** · 10-14-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy

Most of the fact-checkers seem to be incomplete ... NBC, for example, only touched on a few items, and left many others unaddressed. Not to mention the fact that any $300 million cut in one of Ryan's budgets meant NOTHING, since such budget was never passed by the Senate. All D's rejecting Obama's most recent budget sent to Congress.

The battle cry is still that the R's are obstructionist. So how do they explain no Dems voting for Obama's budget?

More interesting to me was reading some of the comments ... presumably the comments are made by people who have read the article. Most of the comments indicate that those commenting don't give a RA for the major Biden's major blunders ... that Biden was outright lying about not having voted for the two wars.

It seems that extremes of either side reject any facts that interfere with their "rationalizations". It seems more rational for each side to acknowledge the bloopers of both sides, and then evaluate them. Of course, it's entirely possible that rational thought has no place in politics.

Originally Posted by charly_t

I see emotional attachment by most people to their party/candidate of choice. Mostly it is very sad but sometimes it's funny. Blindly loyal to their pick most of the time.

Personally, I am not "emotionally attached" to a party or a candidate.

I am, however, "emotionally attached" to the America I grew up in, fought for and beleive in.

Only 1 of these 2 candidates has any idea what that is.

He has my vote.

**huntinman** · 10-14-2012, 04:21 PM