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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Gold dogs

    With all due respect,,, Same ol song and dance about arguing WHO is reporting News..

    Washinton Post.... Very Liberal slant... You know they will find someone to help cover their side..

    Its all a waste of time...

    http://www.mrc.org/node/29251

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    Still wasting your time, Mike? I voted early today since I have a 9AM doctor's appointment Tuesday. I think I'll scout some ducks tomorrow since they just flooded the Rio Grande yesterday, but it's still in the high 60's, low 70's here in the MRGV, (GW?) and the NMDG&F reports only small migration beginning, and give PP a rest.

    Yeah sure....JD

    BTW Golddogs good post. Something rings true about the timelines and reactions of personnel in regards Benghazi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    The below will require you to read a bit, but it might show you that not all the Fox information was or is reliable and that a reason can exist for information of a sesitive nature to be fully reported. It can also show that an open mind is sometimes required when events like this take place and that Fox news and agenda driven web reports might not be the best way to form opinions. Spinning a tragedy like this is as low as a party can get.

    CIA reportedly rushed to aid besieged American consulate


    Revelations come amid GOP accusations that the White House has been misleading public



    By Greg Miller


    Washington Post


    WASHINGTON — The CIA rushed security operatives to an American diplomatic compound in Libya within 25 minutes after it had come under attack and played a more central role in the effort to fend off a nightlong siege than has been acknowledged publicly, U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday.

    The agency mobilized the evacuation effort, took control of an unarmed U.S. military drone to map possible escape routes, dispatched an emergency security team from Tripoli, the capital, and chartered aircraft that ultimately carried surviving American personnel to safety, U.S. officials said.

    The account provided by senior U.S. intelligence officials offers the most detailed chronology yet of the Sept. 11 assault that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three
    See LIBYA on Page A10


    other Americans. The attack has become a flash point in the presidential campaign.

    The decision to give a comprehensive account of the attack five days before the election is likely to be regarded with suspicion, particularly among Republicans who have accused the Obama administration of misleading the public by initially describing the assault as a spontaneous eruption that began as a protest of an anti-Islamic video.

    U.S. officials said they decided to offer a detailed account of the CIA’s role to rebut media reports that have suggested agency leaders delayed sending help to State Department officials seeking to fend off a heavily armed mob.

    Instead, U.S. intelligence officials said CIA operatives in Benghazi and Tripoli made decisions rapidly throughout the assault with no interference from Washington.

    There was no secondguessing those decisions being made on the ground, by people at every U.S. organization that could play a role in assisting those in danger,” a senior U.S. intelligence official said in a statement that summarized the chronology of the attack and was made available to the media.

    The information does not address the main source of political controversy surrounding the siege: the shifting assessments offered by administration officials over whether the assault was a protest that turned violent or a planned terrorist attack.

    But officials reiterated that the initial intelligence was fragmentary and contradictory. They said talking points for members of Congress and senior administration officials did not discuss possible links between the attackers and al-Qaida because the information was classified.

    “It wasn’t until after the points were used in public that people reconciled contradictory information and assessed there probably wasn’t a protest around the time of the attack,” the senior U.S. intelligence official said.

    The briefing and material provided Thursday focused on the hour-by-hour developments in Benghazi. Among the disclosures is the CIA station chief in Tripoli sent a security force, with about a half-dozen operatives and two U.S. military personnel to Benghazi aboard a hastily chartered aircraft while the attack was under way.

    The team arrived after midnight and attempted to organize an effort to make its way to a hospital where U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens had been taken.

    But the team was held up by a combination of the time required to secure transportation and arms from U.S.allied militias, new reports that the ambassador was probably already dead and uncertainty about the security situation at the hospital.

    The annex in Benghazi to which U.S. diplomatic personnel were evacuated was a CIA base established as its first stronghold in Libya before Moammar Gadhafi was overthrown last year.

    U.S. officials said the CIA base learned of the assault on the nearby diplomatic compound in a desperate phone call about 9:40 p.m.

    CIA security operatives assembled their gear and lined up vehicles even while agency officials sought, without success, to enlist Libyan militias that had been hired to provide security for the diplomatic outpost in Benghazi.

    “Over the next 25 minutes, team members approach the compound, attempt to secure heavy weapons” from Libyans encountered along the way and “make their way onto the compound itself in the face of enemy fire,” the senior U.S. intelligence official said.

    Shortly after 11 p.m., an unarmed Predator drone diverted from another mission arrived over Benghazi and began providing video surveillance.

    The CIA operatives appear to have been part of a broader group of U.S. security personnel and Libyan guards who made several attempts to fight their way into a structure known as “Villa C,” which served as the safe house and the VIP residence for the mission, and where Stevens had taken cover. Each time, the would-be rescuers were forced to retreat from heavy smoke and flames that had engulfed the structure.

    By 11:30 p.m., “all U.S. personnel, except for the missing U.S. ambassador, depart the mission,” the U.S. intelligence official said. “The exiting vehicles come under fire.”

    By then, attackers had also descended on the CIA compound, about a mile from the diplomatic facility. The “annex,” as the CIA base was known in internal documents, continued to come under small-arms and rocket fire sporadically over the next 90 minutes.

    Then, about 1 a.m., the siege went suddenly quiet, a pause that would last until near daybreak, apparently leading CIA and State Department officials to think that the danger had passed.

    In the “predawn time frame, that team at the airport finally manages to secure transportation and armed escort and — having learned that the ambassador was almost certainly dead — heads to the annex to assist with the evacuation,” the official said.

    The team arrived, accompanied by Libyan security elements, at 5:15 a.m., “just before the mortar rounds begin to hit the annex,” the official said. Other accounts have suggested that multiple mortars were aimed at the site, initially missing their target before striking the roof, where guards had taken position and were returning fire.

    Two CIA contractors, both former Navy SEALs, were killed: Tyrone Woods, a security officer based in Benghazi, and Glen Doherty, who was part of the team rushed by air from Tripoli. "





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    Its almost over, lets just hope that no matter who is elected the search for the truth continues. Mr. Panetta decried “a lot of Monday-morning quarterbacking” in the questions his department has faced about why it didn’t send help in the middle of an hours-long assault on the U.S. Consulate
    Mr. Panetta said the military had forces positioned to respond, but the situation was too uncertain to send them in.
    “The basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” he said. “It was really over before, you know, we had the opportunity to really know what was happening.”


    Read more: Panetta: Benghazi intelligence too sketchy to send troops - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2B753eplS
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Gold dogs

    With all due respect,,, Same ol song and dance about arguing WHO is reporting News..

    Washinton Post.... Very Liberal slant... You know they will find someone to help cover their side..

    Its all a waste of time...

    http://www.mrc.org/node/29251

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    Gooser, the difference is that this is a report and not speculation of events. If you read the article, it is totally fact based and there are no opinions from the author. What I like to call good journalism.

    From the paper that brought us the Watergate story Regards
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    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...er-WH-Benghazi
    multiple letters sent to Obama from Senators

    The administration is stonewalling on this.
    In the words of our President voting is the best revenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    Gooser, the difference is that this is a report and not speculation of events. If you read the article, it is totally fact based and there are no opinions from the author. What I like to call good journalism.

    From the paper that brought us the Watergate story Regards
    Go back and re-read sentence by sentence what was reported in the Washington Post article. It says the CIA rushed within 25 minutes. This was a small amount of CIA personnel at the annex which was a little over a mile away. Other reports say they were not successful in making it to the consulate and turned back. The article says the drone was not put into service to observe until 11 p.m. (1 hr. 20 min. into the attack). The small team from Tripoli (which included one of the two Seals which were killed at the annex later) did not arrive until after midnight (over 2 hrs. 20+ min. into the attack). They were at the annex when it got quiet around 1 :00 a.m.

    1:00 a.m. quiet at the annex, but no more help arrived. Then the siege by mortar fire began. The two seals were killed; others were injured.

    5:15 a..m. a team from the airport arrived to help the survivors escape.How come no additional help or an attempt to remove personnel at the annex in the 4 + hrs. between 1:00 a.m. and 5:15 a.m. ?

    Helen
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    A question maybe someone here can answer. What would have been the appropriate number of troops stationed in Libya to provide rapid responce to an attack on the Embassy or Consulate? Squad? Platoon? Company? Battalion? Stationed at what base? Requiring what number of support troops?

    Just askin' JD
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    I'm thinking zero. No troops, no Ambassador, no CIA, nobody.
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    M$K beat me to it!

    A Pro active approach from the Commander in cheif,, whos JOB BY CONSTITUTION is to protect the intrests of Americans..

    they should have known that 9-11 meant something special as a Terrorist anniversary,, and removed those folks from danger when they fIRST felt security was not sufficient,,, and the was 3 WEEEEKS before the attack..

    Thats why I snuff the washington Post report of timely events.

    The problem presented itself Weeks before hand,, and the Commander in cheif,, and his underlings ignored it..


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    Hmmm, so isolationism best serves our national interests? Are you guys sure you're not libertarian? Maybe you're voting for the wrong guy.
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