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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    These are the only two stories I could find disputing Fox News.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/four...-benghazi-gate

    http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-denie...124552273.html

    I do know that cable news is not held to the same standards as broadcast news because of the FCC. THe FCC only oversees broadcast stations and not cable. Probably why the big news outlets(broadcast) didn't touch it. Had they been able to confirm reputable sources then they would have been all over it.

    However, all media is subject to liable and defamation. Which is why Fox dumped Beck. He was a loose cannon that made crap up on the fly. If this story proves to be a farce, will Hannity be next?

    I don't watch Fox News and am wondering if Romney has been a guest on O'Reilly or Hannity in the last several months? Just like he avoids Rush like the plague, so credit Romney with that. I would imagine he has stayed away from those two just like he stayed away from THE story.


    Hannity to his story's source..



    Its not Hannity that broke the story.....the story was broken by Fox Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin and Catherine Herridge ...Both Brett Baier and others on Fox asked Griffin on air how credible her sources are, and she replied "impeccable"

    whether you like or believe Fox News, you have to look at this like you do Fast and Furious, you dont call out the State Dept, the CIA, and the Oval Office unless you have the proof in hand, this is not some fishing expedition, probably the reason the other networks havent picked up the story is that they do not possess the same proof that Fox has obtained, they would be foolish to run with a story if they dont have the same sources..

    Fox has two choices, either they expose their source - which they wont do, or

    hope that their source comes out in public and confirms what they have reported

    Here is a good synopsis by David Ignatius from the Washington Post

    The attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi has become a political football in the presidential campaign, with all the grandstanding and misinformation that entails. But Fox News has raised some questions about the attack that deserve a clearer answer from the Obama administration.

    Fox’s Jennifer Griffin reported Friday that CIA officers in Benghazi had been told to “stand down” when they wanted to deploy from their base at the annex to repel the attack on the consulate, about a mile away. Fox also reported that the CIA officers requested military support when the annex came under fire later that night but that their request had been denied







    The Benghazi tragedy was amplified by Charles Woods, the father of slain CIA contractor Tyrone Woods. He told Fox’s Sean Hannity that White House officials who didn’t authorize military strikes to save the embattled CIA annex were “cowards” and “are guilty of murdering my son.”

    The Fox “stand down” story prompted a strong rebuttal from the CIA: “We can say with confidence that the agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.”

    So what did happen in Benghazi on the night of Sept. 11, when Woods, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and two others Americans were killed? The best way to establish the facts would be a detailed, unclassified timeline of events; officials say they are preparing one, and that it may be released later this week. That’s a must, even in the volatile final week of the campaign. In the meantime, here’s a summary of some of the basic issues that need to be clarified.

    First, on the question of whether Woods and others were made to wait when they asked permission to move out immediately to try to rescue those at the consulate. The answer seems to be yes, but not for very long. There was a brief, initial delay — two people said it was about 20 minutes — before Woods was allowed to leave. One official said Woods and at least one other CIA colleague were “in the car revving the engine,” waiting for permission to go. Woods died about six hours later, after he returned to the annex.

    The main reason for the delay, several sources said, was that CIA officials were making urgent contact with a Libyan militia, known as the February 17 Brigade, which was the closest thing to an organized security force in Benghazi. The United States depends on local security to protect U.S. diplomatic facilities everywhere, and officials wanted to coordinate any response to the consulate attack. After this delay, Woods and his colleague proceeded to the consulate.

    Here’s my question: Was it wise to depend on a Libyan militia that clearly wasn’t up to the job? Could it have made a difference for those under attack at the consulate if Woods had moved out as soon as he was, in one official’s words, “saddled and ready”?

    Second, why didn’t the United States send armed drones or other air assistance to Benghazi immediately? This one is harder to answer. The CIA did dispatch a quick-reaction force that night from Tripoli, with about eight people, but it had trouble at first reaching the compound. One of its members, Glen Doherty, died along with Woods when a mortar hit the roof of the annex about 4 a.m.

    What more could have been done? A Joint Special Operations Command team was moved that night to Sigonella air base in Sicily, for quick deployment to Benghazi or any of the other U.S. facilities in danger that night across North Africa. Armed drones could also have been sent. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta summarized last Thursday the administration’s decision to opt for caution: “You don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on.”

    Looking back, it may indeed have been wise not to bomb targets in Libya that night. Given the uproar in the Arab world, this might have been the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a burning fire. But the anguish of Woods’s father is understandable: His son’s life might have been saved by a more aggressive response. The Obama administration needs to level with the country about why it made its decisions.

    A final, obvious point: The “fog of battle” that night was dense not just in Benghazi but in Cairo, Tunis and elsewhere. U.S. officials needed better intelligence. That’s the toughest problem to address, but the most important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    Its not Hannity that broke the story.....the story was broken by Fox Pentagon correspondent Jennifer Griffin and Catherine Herridge ...Both Brett Baier and others on Fox asked Griffin on air how credible her sources are, and she replied "impeccable"
    At first blush I thought most of the responses here on this POTUS thread were a bit rash and not terribly impartial and objective.
    I based this on the following
    A 4 Star General being interviewed by a Fox reporter said that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent the attack and that to politicize it as Fox is doing was irresponsible and unfair
    The White House has denied the Fox report
    The NSC has denied the Fox report
    The CIA has denied the Fox report
    The Pentagon has denied the Fox report
    and so on


    Then I discover this bombshell. According to Bon, while watching FOX, the FOX correspondent who broke the FOX story that has been reported on FOX while being interviewed on FOX by FOX reporter Brett Baier on FOX and other reporters on FOX stated on FOX while on air on FOX as to how credible her UNNAMED sources that the FOX report was based on claimed while on FOX that her UNNAMED sources that FOX based their story on and has reported on FOX were "impeccable".

    Clearly FOX has uncovered the fox {FOX?} in the henhouse.

    Its time to sharpen up the guillotine and let the heads roll

    People like Franco who advocated not jumping to conclusions and waiting until an investigation could determine the facts have their head in the sand. He probably isn't aware that the reporter breaking this story has stated that her sources are impeccable.
    In his defense he probably thought this would be the normal situation where when the reporter who breaks the story is questioned on the reliability of their UNNAMED sources admits that the UNNAMED he's she's & or its are lying scumbags who have numerous perjury convictions on their UNNAMED record.

    I also have to agree that there must be stalling on this investigation for political gain. Even though the original 9-11 investigation dealt with an attack that occurred on our homeland resulting in a nation of outraged citizens and investigative agencies and authorities that yearned to cooperate and offer up anything they could to find the facts took almost 3 yrs to complete; you all have convinced me that this investigation in an unfriendly land 1000's of miles away with many elements very hostile to us would have been wrapped up by now, were it not being delayed for political gain as many of you have so wisely pointed out

    On the subject of the original 9-11 investigation; it determined that intel was ignored that if acted upon could have prevented that disaster. It was also proven that we were mislead on WMD's amongst other things on the way to getting involved in two wars with adversaries that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks. Those mistakes by that administration resulted in the loss of American lives on a magnitude of 1000's times greater than this attack on our embassy, not to mention the cost in $'s and other factors.

    You guys and FOX have gotten me worked up enough with outrage at this latest 9-11 attack that I'm ready to join your lynch mob. This is way to important to be a partisan issue. As your new non partisan ally and fellow American Patriot Am I wrong to be outraged 1000s times more over the mistakes of that administration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smillerdvm View Post
    At first blush I thought most of the responses here on this POTUS thread were a bit rash and not terribly impartial and objective.
    I based this on the following
    A 4 Star General being interviewed by a Fox reporter said that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent the attack and that to politicize it as Fox is doing was irresponsible and unfair
    The White House has denied the Fox report
    The NSC has denied the Fox report
    The CIA has denied the Fox report
    The Pentagon has denied the Fox report
    and so on


    Then I discover this bombshell. According to Bon, while watching FOX, the FOX correspondent who broke the FOX story that has been reported on FOX while being interviewed on FOX by FOX reporter Brett Baier on FOX and other reporters on FOX stated on FOX while on air on FOX as to how credible her UNNAMED sources that the FOX report was based on claimed while on FOX that her UNNAMED sources that FOX based their story on and has reported on FOX were "impeccable".

    Clearly FOX has uncovered the fox {FOX?} in the henhouse.

    Its time to sharpen up the guillotine and let the heads roll

    People like Franco who advocated not jumping to conclusions and waiting until an investigation could determine the facts have their head in the sand. He probably isn't aware that the reporter breaking this story has stated that her sources are impeccable.
    In his defense he probably thought this would be the normal situation where when the reporter who breaks the story is questioned on the reliability of their UNNAMED sources admits that the UNNAMED he's she's & or its are lying scumbags who have numerous perjury convictions on their UNNAMED record.

    I also have to agree that there must be stalling on this investigation for political gain. Even though the original 9-11 investigation dealt with an attack that occurred on our homeland resulting in a nation of outraged citizens and investigative agencies and authorities that yearned to cooperate and offer up anything they could to find the facts took almost 3 yrs to complete; you all have convinced me that this investigation in an unfriendly land 1000's of miles away with many elements very hostile to us would have been wrapped up by now, were it not being delayed for political gain as many of you have so wisely pointed out

    On the subject of the original 9-11 investigation; it determined that intel was ignored that if acted upon could have prevented that disaster. It was also proven that we were mislead on WMD's amongst other things on the way to getting involved in two wars with adversaries that had nothing to do with the 9-11 attacks. Those mistakes by that administration resulted in the loss of American lives on a magnitude of 1000's times greater than this attack on our embassy, not to mention the cost in $'s and other factors.

    You guys and FOX have gotten me worked up enough with outrage at this latest 9-11 attack that I'm ready to join your lynch mob. This is way to important to be a partisan issue. As your new non partisan ally and fellow American Patriot Am I wrong to be outraged 1000s times more over the mistakes of that administration?
    Delightful OPINION!
    Here are some that agree with you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3...eature=related

    By your standards, it's not news until Dan Rather, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews or the Veiw approve?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    So tell me, which was it, spontaneous due to a video or planned by terrorists?

    Simple question that you can not answer because either answer embarrasses this administration!

    Have a nice day....God bless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Delightful OPINION!
    Here are some that agree with you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3...eature=related

    By your standards, it's not news until Dan Rather, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews or the Veiw approve?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    So tell me, which was it, spontaneous due to a video or planned by terrorists?

    Simple question that you can not answer because either answer embarrasses this administration!

    Have a nice day....God bless!
    Nice try at attempting to change the subject. Typical, when you are wrong, just change the subject!

    And, MK, Romney is smart to stay away from the fool O'Reilly. And why waste my time watching the garbage on Fox when there are much more credible news outlets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Nice try at attempting to change the subject. Typical, when you are wrong, just change the subject!

    And, MK, Romney is smart to stay away from the fool O'Reilly. And why waste my time watching the garbage on Fox when there are much more credible news outlets.
    Please enlighten us with your sources. Surly you don't include MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC or NBC among them. Smoke signals? Crystal ball? National Enquirer? People Magazine? Let us know so we can all be as in touch as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Please enlighten us with your sources. Surly you don't include MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABC or NBC among them. Smoke signals? Crystal ball? National Enquirer? People Magazine? Let us know so we can all be as in touch as you.
    Bloomberg, C-Span and Headline News are three outlets that just report without having bobbled headed anchors giving their views on the news.

    I for one can form my own opinions and don't need some slanted psuedo journalist telling me what I ought to think!
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    Franco!! Be Carefull,,, Now you is useing tactics of a loosing debate by reverting to name calling..
    Just sayin... Bobbleheaded???

    AnyWAYS...




    Woulds somebody help Gooser out with the grenade the Jdogger thew in the window, that he claimed would end all this discussion cause we was all confused about the difference of Embassys, Cousolates,, Seals,, and Former seals????

    I dont get it! Jdogger please never tell Gooser to go to Google... I is worn out!

    Please give us your explaination as to the point you were making...

    Both an Embassy and a Counsolate are on soveirn ground.

    I Kinda get your Seal and Former Seal point,, but here is How I look at it.

    Innocent people who are protected by international law were being attacked, on a anniversary of a date where terrorist threw a sucker punch at those innocent peoples country... The FACT that those folks BEGGED for protection BEFORE the attack,,, and NOTHING was done,, is a HUGE concern to me as to the PRO ACTIVE preparedness of our current Administration...
    Those folks were Americans attacked on Protected ground... We should have seen something like this comming...
    What was the answer????? A VIDEO caused all this... REALLYYY???? and we locked a guy up for making it???? REALLY??


    As Far as a Seal,, Or a Former Seal...

    Jdogger,, if I have you as a neighbor,,, and I witness someone attacking you,, or robbing your house,, Orr I see you and your Family having trouble on the highway ,,broke down, needing help,,, I think there re some of us,, that answere to a higher calling,, that will step in and Help, and do the right thing, despite what labels that are put on us.. We just react. If the situation is dire enough,, we wont wait for the police,, an Official OK,, we understand, something has to be done at the criticle point in time..

    I am appauled at the possiblity,, that Seals, Former Seals,, Ambassadors, Counsels, or just palin Americans died,, and maybe their last thoughts were of their country they were representing,, had abandoned them,, and they died alone... I just cant accept that!! I just cant!!,, and Now to have Politicians that prolly DO know what happened,, drag their feet and not give an explaination without a lot of double talk,, is an example of what we as Americans haves come to accept from our leaders....

    We Elect them to Know!!! Their constitutional oath binds them to protect. Someone has to take responsiblity. Who do you think that would be??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Franco!! Be Carefull,,, Now you is useing tactics of a loosing debate by reverting to name calling..
    Just sayin... Bobbleheaded???

    AnyWAYS...




    Woulds somebody help Gooser out with the grenade the Jdogger thew in the window, that he claimed would end all this discussion cause we was all confused about the difference of Embassys, Cousolates,, Seals,, and Former seals????

    I dont get it! Jdogger please never tell Gooser to go to Google... I is worn out!

    Please give us your explaination as to the point you were making...

    Both an Embassy and a Counsolate are on soveirn ground.

    I Kinda get your Seal and Former Seal point,, but here is How I look at it.

    Innocent people who are protected by international law were being attacked, on a anniversary of a date where terrorist threw a sucker punch at those innocent peoples country... The FACT that those folks BEGGED for protection BEFORE the attack,,, and NOTHING was done,, is a HUGE concern to me as to the PRO ACTIVE preparedness of our current Administration...
    Those folks were Americans attacked on Protected ground... We should have seen something like this comming...
    What was the answer????? A VIDEO caused all this... REALLYYY???? and we locked a guy up for making it???? REALLY??


    As Far as a Seal,, Or a Former Seal...

    Jdogger,, if I have you as a neighbor,,, and I witness someone attacking you,, or robbing your house,, Orr I see you and your Family having trouble on the highway ,,broke down, needing help,,, I think there re some of us,, that answere to a higher calling,, that will step in and Help, and do the right thing, despite what labels that are put on us.. We just react. If the situation is dire enough,, we wont wait for the police,, an Official OK,, we understand, something has to be done at the criticle point in time..

    I am appauled at the possiblity,, that Seals, Former Seals,, Ambassadors, Counsels, or just palin Americans died,, and maybe their last thoughts were of their country they were representing,, had abandoned them,, and they died alone... I just cant accept that!! I just cant!!,, and Now to have Politicians that prolly DO know what happened,, drag their feet and not give an explaination without a lot of double talk,, is an example of what we as Americans haves come to accept from our leaders....

    We Elect them to Know!!! Their constitutional oath binds them to protect. Someone has to take responsiblity. Who do you think that would be??

    Gooser
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
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    is it true that the guy that made the video that did not cause the terror attack, is still in jail?
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