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    You guys can argue all you want about the debates. I fear that O will win re-election because he has the vote of the takers. They're not watching the debates. And there are a lot more takers than there are people who want to work hard, start at the bottom and work up to a better financial life. 99 months of unemployment bennies, food stamps, WIC, CalFresh, MediCal, etc etc. The government will give you formula (for your baby) which you can then turn around and sell on Craigslist, take the money and pay for the addiction of your choice. Want to own a home but you work at a fast food restaurant and have 4 kids? That's okay, the government will help pick up what you can't afford to pay, because by gosh you deserve to be happy. I saw the new government subsidized housing here in my area. The apartments had granite countertops and patio doors with glass, with the blinds enclosed in the double paned glass. That's nicer than my home, and I worked my ash off as a single mother to buy mine. Entitlement reigns, and so will Obama. I fear there are not enough people that just want: a fair shot at a job, plan to work hard to be successful, and save money so they can take advantage of opportunities to improve their lives when they arise.

    I would LOVE to see mandatory community service for all government subsidization program participants. The more you serve your community, the more money you qualify for. That's what we in the working sector call a JOB.

    We are headed down a long slide to Socialism and that deeply troubles me. I fought for my country in my younger days, and I KNOW that there are very few places on Earth as good as the USA. I hate to see what it is becoming.

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    The proposalHow it would workBuffett Rule.People making more than $1 million would pay a minimum of 30% in federal taxes, but it's unclear what counts as income or if the proposal creates a income tax bracket.Keep Bush tax cuts for almost all.The top 2 income tax brackets would increase from 33% and 35% to 36% and 39.6% -- what they were under Bill Clinton. In other words, single filers making more than $178,650, married-jointly folks making more than $217,450 and head-of-household filers making more than $198,050 would get a tax increase.Change estate tax.The estate tax would jump by 10 percentage points from 35% to 45% with a $3.5 million exemption.Limit itemized deductions for the rich.Taxpayers in the top two income tax brackets would see their itemized deductions drop from 33% or 35% to 28%.Raise taxes on investment fund managers.Currently, managers of private equities and hedge funds pay 15% on capital gains (aka "carried interest"). This proposal would tax capital gains at regular income levels, instead of a flat tax.Make the American opportunity credit permanent.Allows college filers to get up to $2,500 a year in tax credit for college expenses.

    Read more: Obamas 2013 Budget Takes Aim At Wealthy | Bankrate.com http://www.bankrate.com/finance/news...#ixzz29a9Orhpr

    not sure how reliable this story is, but its from bankrate.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Impossible for me to keep up with right wing lies. Crowley did not walk back her comments, it is just another right wing lie.

    Here is what she said:



    Did any of you ever look at the transcript of the speech in the rose garden. Didn't think so.
    Buzz you know very well there is a difference in "act of terror" and "terrorist attack". Murder by a random mob (Obama's explanation) is indeed an act of terror performed in an instant without planning. That is what Obama refers to in the Rose Garden and later admitted by Crowley. This terrorist attack (denied by Obama) was a predetermined, planned exercise done by a recognized terrorist organization. Big difference.
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    So you let someone slid on millions and billions of capital gains so you can save $5000 in capital gains tax sometime in the future. Capital gains and dividend income is not your primary source of income...it is for Romney

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    So you let someone slid on millions and billions of capital gains so you can save $5000 in capital gains tax sometime in the future. Capital gains and dividend income is not your primary source of income...it is for Romney
    So what? Can you blame very wealthy people for taking their money off shore when there are a bunch of idiots wanting to confiscate their acquired wealth? I don't care if they earned it, inherited it or made it the porno business. It's theirs and they want the government to take as little as possible, just like the majority of Americans. Isn't that the goal of accountants and tax attorneys, to decrease one's tax burden as much as possible? I would like to know how many bleeding heart liberals send in money on top of what they owe in taxes to take care of the needy? My uneducated guess would be a big fat goose egg! Buffet, Cuban, Maher, and all the other wealthy libs should put their money where their mouth is! If they say they can afford to pay more taxes then by all means cut a check That includes anyone on here also. Cut a check!
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    Here is Crowley's backtracking this morning.

    Listen, what I said on that stage is the same thing I said to you, actually, last night. What I was trying to do ... I was trying to move this along. The question was Benghazi. There is no question that the administration is quite vulnerable on this topic — that they did take weeks to go, “Well, actually, there really wasn’t a protest and actually didn’t have anything to do with the tape. That took a long time. That’s where he was going. That was his first answer. And then we got hung up on this, “Yes, he said. No, I didn’t. I said terror. You didn’t say terror.” And then there was this point they both kind of looked at me. You know, he was looking at me and the president was looking at me. And what I wanted to move this along — could we get back to this? So I said, “He did say acts of terror, called it an act of terror. But Governor Romney, you are perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape.
    It's time we abandon our party affiliations and rather than being good Dems or good Repubs we all become good Americans. MJH345

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    menmon, how did you get your head so far up your own azz is what I'm wondering? Just asking. Since you inquired about everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    All women should be happy today because Romney if elected will let them leave work early to go home and cook and clean.

    <snip> Is there a single person on this forum that does not have their head stuck up the GOP A>>
    Single, woman and small business owner here Menmon.
    Romney has my support.
    Obama never really had it and REALLY lost any faith I may have had these past 4 yrs.

    I'm sorry for your apparently bad upbringing but though I'm not exactly "privileged", I think Obama is SCARY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccarty View Post
    You guys can argue all you want about the debates. I fear that O will win re-election because he has the vote of the takers. They're not watching the debates. And there are a lot more takers than there are people who want to work hard, start at the bottom and work up to a better financial life. 99 months of unemployment bennies, food stamps, WIC, CalFresh, MediCal, etc etc.
    You have a pretty poor opinion of America.
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    I have a realistic opinion of America. Come to California and look around. Tell me what you see.

    And to edit my first post, it should have said 99 weeks of unemployment not months.

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