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    What a disgrace!!!


    EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi Attack


    By Jennifer Griffin

    Published October 26, 2012

    FoxNews.com


    Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

    Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

    Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

    At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

    CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down.

    "We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi," she said. "Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades."

    The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

    A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

    According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help.

    "There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

    U.S. officials argue that there was a period of several hours when the fighting stopped before the mortars were fired at the annex, leading officials to believe the attack was over.

    Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

    Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

    A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the U.S., finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources.

    The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.

    Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school.


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    lots of fingers bring pointed in different directions...Petraeus is claiming he gave no such order, the Commander of the African theatre of Military Ops says he was never asked for support, so that leaves Panetta,Hillary, Obama or his advisory staff..I am guessing that many in their inner circle are triple checking every form of communication with their name attached in a high stakes game of hot potato except with a live grenade.....

    Unfortunately it looks like Fox News is the only one with proof and the only one willing to keep the story at the top of the page...if this were a Republican admin the media and many members in Congress would already be drawing up impeachment documents...This has been handled as poorly as the Pat Tillman incident

    Somebody owes the families of the four men slain some REAL answers...We as a country should see that they get that info
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    Obamma Lied American Diplomats Died
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    Who leaked this information to Fox? Those emails from the previous day, Issa said something to the effect that his committee had been "begging" for those emails.

    Such detailed information would have to come from someone who had a high-level access, wouldn't it?

    I recall that it was reported that Willie had gathered a flock of lawyers to advise the best course for Hillary. Shortly thereafter, she made her statement from Peru "taking responsibility" for the lack of security by the State Dept. That statement might have artfully kept her out of this sphere of refusing aid during the attack?

    I'm thinking that Obama should have invited Bill and Hillary to dinner once in a while; and maybe called Bill back when Bill offered to help with the last debate. Obama may be a Chicago thug, but Slick Willie is no amateur when it comes to political slime.

    If Hillary still had any idea of a presidential run in 2016, she was watching it slip through her fingers yet again. The next-best thing might just be some revenge for having the 2008 nomination snatched from her grasp.

    The fact that the mainstream media is silent on all of this, not the least of which is Mr. Woods' statement is incredible and unconscionable.
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    If anyone wants more proof that this is true, go to www.rightscoop.com and listen Rush Limbaugh's conversation with the military person on the Benghazi SNFU.

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    Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but worth listening to.

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    It will be interesting to see if any of the major network talking heads will be discussing any of this on the Sunday shows???

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    Cover up:
    (CNSNews.com) – The White House is declining to say when President Barack Obama first learned of three e-mails that the State Department sent to the White House on Sept. 11, 2012, directly notifying the Executive Office of the President that the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was under attack, that U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens was at the Benghazi mission at the time of the attack, and that the group Ansar al-Sharia had taken credit for the attack.

    The White House also declined to say when the president first met with the National Security Council after the Benghazi attack.

    “I have been asked by one of our spokespeople to relay ‘that we decline to comment,’” said White House National Security Staff aide Debbie Bird in a written response to CNSNews.com.

    CNSNews.com had asked Bird: 1) “When did the President first meet with the National Security Council after the Benghazi attack on 9/11/12?” 2) “When did White House staff first discuss the substance of the e-mails that went to the White House with the President or with the National Security Advisor?”
    Meanwhile, the Obama administration is downplaying the importance of the emails suggesting the embassy attack was an actual, coordinated attack. “There were emails about all sorts of information that was becoming available in the aftermath of the attack,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters yesterday. “The email you’re referring to was an open-source, unclassified email referring to an assertion made on a social media site that everyone in this room had access to and knew about instantaneously.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton noted that the email “is not in and of itself evidence” and suggested that they were being “cherry picked” by the media.

    But why, then, did the White House run with the theory that this was a protest over a YouTube video? They were pretty conclusive in their statements about that in the days after the attack. At the very least, given that they were aware of alternate explanations for the attack, why did they push the protest theory so hard?

    Other than the fact that it was the most politically self-serving theory?
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