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    Quote Originally Posted by claimsadj View Post
    I'm not trying to be rude. I'm just not in a place right now to spend money i don't have. Between trying to sell a house, buying land and moving I'm about spent out. Is the prognosis for a partial tear any different than a full tear? I just assumed they are created equal, maybe they aren't. I'll update when I air him this afternoon and throughout the week. If we see a specialist I'll update with that info as well. That will take place next week if I see any further lameness.
    I had prolotherapy on my lab's right knee. I decided to retire her even after that, knowing that I only strengthened the stifle and remaining CCL tissue (at best). I have hunted her in water this fall, but all land training is done for good and she is, for all intents and purposes, retired.

    Prolo is an alternate to surgery, but you are also making a decision to retire your dog, which seems not to be an option for you. Cost of surgery was a factor for me, as both knees would have to be done (left knee probably within a year). Rather put money into a new dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilBernardi View Post
    I had prolotherapy on my lab's right knee. I decided to retire her even after that, knowing that I only strengthened the stifle and remaining CCL tissue (at best). I have hunted her in water this fall, but all land training is done for good and she is, for all intents and purposes, retired.

    Prolo is an alternate to surgery, but you are also making a decision to retire your dog, which seems not to be an option for you. Cost of surgery was a factor for me, as both knees would have to be done (left knee probably within a year). Rather put money into a new dog.
    That's the old Needling crap used to numb the joint pain in beat up race track horses. It's Not an alternative to surgery for CCL rupture. In people prolotherapy it's considered Quackery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    That's the old Needling crap used to numb the joint pain in beat up race track horses. It's Not an alternative to surgery for CCL rupture. In people prolotherapy it's considered Quackery.
    I agree it's not an alternative to surgery IF you plan to keep training and running your dog. It is if you don't plan on it.

    The studies done on humans are about 3 (if I recall correctly). Each design was criticized on sample size being too small, but results were significant. There have been no studies done on canines - to my knowledge.

    I'm happy with the results on my Nala's right knee; but my decision isn't one that others would probably make.

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    Ted's pricing is interesting. It really varies by location. In this area, TPLO Is 3600 to 4000 dollars. That is Chicago. Pricing is similar at the University of Illinois and the University of Wisconsin. Tightrope is about 2500, which includes some initial rehab. I can get TTA done in Sheboygan Wisconsin by an experienced vet for 1500. Decisions about the type of procedure should be based upon the age and temperament of the dog, goals for the dog, etc. Obviously, price is also a factor. Good luck with your dog.
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    Juice Saw dr Milton today. He pulled fluid and feels confident we have a partial tear. Surgery Monday. Can dogs typically Bourne back from this and continue their career? Derbies are obviously over now but just hoping we can get him back to full speed and continue running strong in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claimsadj View Post
    Juice Saw dr Milton today. He pulled fluid and feels confident we have a partial tear. Surgery Monday. Can dogs typically Bourne back from this and continue their career? Derbies are obviously over now but just hoping we can get him back to full speed and continue running strong in the future.

    Unless this dog is a super star, I would retire him from competition and start over. You will lose at least 4 months of this dog's career to rehab. He is likely to blow the other cruciate, and you will lose another 4 months of his career. I would cut my losses and run - unless I was convinced that the dog was going to be a super star - which is hard to predict at his age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claimsadj View Post
    Juice Saw dr Milton today. He pulled fluid and feels confident we have a partial tear. Surgery Monday. Can dogs typically Bourne back from this and continue their career? Derbies are obviously over now but just hoping we can get him back to full speed and continue running strong in the future.
    I'm sorry the news isn't better.

    As far as bouncing back is concerned, some dogs recover better than others. Much will depend on the quality of the rehab.

    If it was my dog, I'd give it my best shot to achieve as much as possible and see where that takes me. My goal is to train each dog I have to reach its potential, whatever that may be.

    Your goals may be different.

    Regardless, I'm glad you were able to get a diagnosis and can get him back on the road to recovery as soon as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claimsadj View Post
    Juice Saw dr Milton today. He pulled fluid and feels confident we have a partial tear. Surgery Monday. Can dogs typically Bourne back from this and continue their career? Derbies are obviously over now but just hoping we can get him back to full speed and continue running strong in the future.
    yes they can. There are many dogs running on TPLO's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post

    He is likely to blow the other cruciate, and you will lose another 4 months of his career.
    This is what most say, however, the surgical practice I deal with in Buffalo Grove IL. has statistics that are quite a bit different from that, when I recently posed the question. Gettting the operated leg fixed and strong quickly is the key, so they are not favoring the injured leg, and putting more stress on the "good" leg. The practice has easily performed over 100,000 TPLOs in the past 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeDog View Post
    This is what most say, however, the surgical practice I deal with in Buffalo Grove IL. has statistics that are quite a bit different from that, when I recently posed the question. Gettting the operated leg fixed and strong quickly is the key, so they are not favoring the injured leg, and putting more stress on the "good" leg. The practice has easily performed over 100,000 TPLOs in the past 10 years.

    General population or Field Trial dogs
    Plus, if you get TPLO, you are buying into a lot of rehab time and/or money
    If I had a proven dog, I would probably do it
    If I had a young, unproven dog, I would move on
    It's just alot of heartache
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