Lardy Force Fetch

[Paul "Happy" Gilmore]

Mike Lardy says stepping on one side of the bumper to elevate the other side helps with this transition as well.

[Gun_Dog2002]

Mike Lardy said that one time he was talking to Danny Farmer about what Dave Rorem said Don Remein said in conversation with Jim Gonia who said training dogs was fun...

/Paul

[blind ambition]

Mike Lardy said that one time he was talking to Danny Farmer about what Dave Rorem said Don Remein said in conversation with Jim Gonia who said training dogs was fun...

/Paul

...and then there was the time that /Paul posted here to tell us that Mike Lardy once said that one time he was talking to Danny Farmer about what Dave Rorem said Don Remein said in conversation with Jim Gonia who said training dogs was fun
...and we all agreed that sometimes talking about dog training is almost as much fun as dog training.

[Paul "Happy" Gilmore]

...
...and we all agreed .

Like that's gonna happen! LOL!!

[Breakhigh]

Would it be advisable to start with a soft paint roller during the beginning stages of hold then work in a bumper as dog progresses or just start out with a bumper. His teeth are all there but have just came up in the last few days.

[JustinS]

Paint rollers work vey well for the entire process but also use bumpers wooden dowel rods birds or bumpers wrapped in bird wings and anything else you may want them to fetch in the future. Making sure that they have been forced on all retrieving items can help ensure the force was done completely. Good luck

[twall]

Mike Lardy said that one time he was talking to Danny Farmer about what Dave Rorem said Don Remein said in conversation with Jim Gonia who said training dogs was fun...

/Paul

I heard Rex Carr was part of that conversation. Of course, not all sources are as good as others!

Tom

[Mary Lynn Metras]

Would it be advisable to start with a soft paint roller during the beginning stages of hold then work in a bumper as dog progresses or just start out with a bumper. His teeth are all there but have just came up in the last few days.

I did start with the paint roller. I believe Stawski does this or Graham? Then I went to a dowel and then bumpers, etc. FF all on the table first and followed Lardy as well as looked at Stawski.
The other day I set a paint roller out beside the can of paint-low and behold he grabbed at the roller on the ground. Has not forgotten anything or he was going to help. LOL on that one.

Good luck to you but do not rush the process and complete each step.

[Paul "Happy" Gilmore]

I have that problem all the time....

[Swampbilly]

When you move to the ground your dog won't know what force fetch means in the different situation. Start at square one again as if you are starting ff all over again. He'll pick it up this 2nd time quicker than he did the first time but there will be a learning time for him to "get it" once he's on the ground. When he's got it on the ground you can go ahead to walking fetch, stick fetch, baseball, pile work, and to the rest of basics.

^^^This^^
Enjoyed your post Mr. N.
And this being the only real "disadvantage", (if you can call it that), so far for me. Kinda' sorta' simular for those who move to Collar Fetch after pinching an ear on the table, (or ground)..You're asking the same thing of the dog, just in a different way.