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Thread: Retriever Advisory Committee Layout Blinds

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    Default Retriever Advisory Committee Layout Blinds

    Be advised that clubs will begin receiving ballots soon, proposed rule change number 4 deals with eliminating the practice of lying a gunner down in the field to retire them.

    Proposal No. 2 Layout Blinds
    Under STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR NON-SLIP RETRIEVER TRIALS, No. 8, 3rd paragraph, (page 28) after the sentence ending the distinctive shape of the blind insert the following: and in no event shall gunners or throwers be instructed to lay down on the ground in layout blinds or like configurations for hiding purposes.
    So that No. 8, 3rd paragraph in its entirety will read:
    “Retired Guns, throwers and blind planters should be concealed by a blind that provides complete coverage, adequate space, and natural camouflage to conceal the distinctive shape of the blind and in no event shall gunners or throwers be instructed to lay down on the ground in layout blinds or like configurations for hiding purposes. The blind must be so located as to minimize the development of a trail that will lead the running dog away from the area of the fall. In no circumstances should the judges have the guns move to another position to mislead dogs in their marking. No blinds shall be placed in the field in a marking test except in accordance with the provisions set forth in this paragraph or for the purpose of protecting the running dogs from injury by unseen hazards.”


    This is a very important proposal for many of us in the plains states where there are places that it is impossible to retire a gun into natural cover where no natural cover exists, if you object to this rule proposal be sure that your club votes.
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    When does the voting take place??
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    Ballots should be sent out soon, there will be a specicfic return by date. Every club should make the club secretary aware of this event and the importance of voting no matter what side you are on, this is the law of the land for our sport and the only way we have to control our own destiny.

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    I want to make sure we get a freaking ballot - it seems that we don't always get one - we have a pretty good club secretary, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    I want to make sure we get a freaking ballot - it seems that we don't always get one - we have a pretty good club secretary, so...
    This is probably a dumb question... but is there a way the club secretary or other officer could download the ballot?
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    Our club will be voting against the rule outlawing them. Layout blinds are important for anybody setting up a test with little cover, few trees and little terrain changes. They make a huge difference and must be used with common sense. The RAC, in my opinion, does not like them because where they run trials they don't need them; thus they don't train on them.

    The other issue I have is all the " I heard they were dangerous". Gossip about layout blinds is unbelievable. I judged a trial in Alabama and the FT Marshall said they don't have layout blinds because "he heard they were outlawed". I checked my own on the airplane!

    Common sense must be used in any field trial judging situation. Can there be anything more dangerous than a bird boy with a loaded popper gun? Common sense folks, and that applies to layout blinds.
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    Okay folks for the new person some terminology? a layout blind???? and why does it say non slip retriever trials.
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    Commonly used for retired guns in flat featureless fields at trials. Used by the masses for goose hunting blinds. Non-slip retriever is one which will not leave your side until told to do so/ in the AKC rule books non-slip refers to "off-lead" trials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    Commonly used for retired guns in flat featureless fields at trials. Used by the masses for goose hunting blinds. Non-slip retriever is one which will not leave your side until told to do so/ in the AKC rule books non-slip refers to "off-lead" trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    Commonly used for retired guns in flat featureless fields at trials. Used by the masses for goose hunting blinds. Non-slip retriever is one which will not leave your side until told to do so/ in the AKC rule books non-slip refers to "off-lead" trials.
    Thanks Paul. Is that your hunting buddy??
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