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    The dog that the video/DVD follows from puppy to finished earned his FTCH in January... So that's at least one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartona500 View Post
    The dog that the video/DVD follows from puppy to finished earned his FTCH in January... So that's at least one.
    Yes, two of the pups from the video have made it. One has his FTCH and the other is a few points away. The 3rd and 4th dvds are the best in my opinion. I was actually sad at the end of the fourth dvd. Such a neat series.

    My only complaint is he really doesn't show a lot of cold blind work. There's a lot of shown blinds and lot of handling training, however. His dogs do handle very crisply and are very crisp on obedience. It really is a neat series from a newbie perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer Henion View Post
    Yes, two of the pups from the video have made it. One has his FTCH and the other is a few points away. The 3rd and 4th dvds are the best in my opinion. I was actually sad at the end of the fourth dvd. Such a neat series.

    My only complaint is he really doesn't show a lot of cold blind work. There's a lot of shown blinds and lot of handling training, however. His dogs do handle very crisply and are very crisp on obedience. It really is a neat series from a newbie perspective.
    I was hoping you would chime back in. My copy is on the way... I am looking at two different bitches out of the FTCH dog in the video. They're 10 & 14 months now, and demonstrating great work. Keith really is a nice guy, and he really does produce some top quality dogs. Billy at Leadburn took one of the Copperbirch dogs to FTCH w/ relative ease, so I've heard.
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    Wow, if the pups grew up with Keith and out of Ross, I'd bet they are a really nice dogs! He definitely knows dogs and is a great guy.

    Please let me know if you get one and how they turn out for you. Would love to see them.

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    I think up until then Keith had never actually made a dog up to FTCH himself and did he definitely make that one up himself? I can't remember.
    He talks a good talk though (and he has bred some nice dogs that have done well in the hands of others.....)

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    Are we talking about the man's credentials ,or the content of the videos?..You make your choice and you pay the money. What you get is what you get. What you do with it is up to you.
    Frankly,It doesn't matter a jot whether the man made up 1 Ftch ,Or 100.
    It would be the same for any pup you got from Lardy or Farmer stables.
    The videos show what the man does,not what titles he has won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polmaise View Post
    Are we talking about the man's credentials ,or the content of the videos?..You make your choice and you pay the money. What you get is what you get. What you do with it is up to you.
    Frankly,It doesn't matter a jot whether the man made up 1 Ftch ,Or 100.
    It would be the same for any pup you got from Lardy or Farmer stables.
    The videos show what the man does,not what titles he has won.
    Um....it matters quite a jot to a lot of folks. The question is does what HE does, produce champions at HIS game, with HIM driving. Can he play golf, or is the "guru" just a driving range pro? The answer to that question has an awful lot of bearing on whether "what he does" is worth a flip, or worth paying for, you know?

    It sounds like he has bred some FTCH's. The question is has he built one or more "from the ground up" using his training method that he is trying to get me to pay cash to view. Jots is Jots, as they say in 'merica.
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    Gulf Coast asked "The question is does what HE does, produce champions at HIS game,"..?
    His 'Game' may be different to your's or mine!?..Like I said, The content of the videos rather than the Titles achieved is surely what you are 'buying' with your dollar?..
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    Mark, I follow Lardy and have watched Lardy's Dvd's and read his articles and booklets. Love em! My training is following Lardy as closely as possible. Bought Keith's dvds because they looked cool and I happened to kind of know the guy via several UK and Irish gundog groups on facebook - and because this is my hobby, so I buy stuff.

    Here's my take on Keith and his Dvds: He's very down to earth, despite his high end production manager and the commercials. He knows dogs and dog training. He knows his gun dog sport backwards and forwards and has had success in it, including making up two of the puppies in his Dvd series that follow the dog's progress over 3 yrs.

    The puppy and young adult obedience drills are well laid out for the novice. The yard drills he presents are very similar to pile work, baseball, simple casting, and T work. His T drill is more complicated and called a "Rotating diamond" where he sends to a different destination in the diamond, whistle stops and casts left, right or back. He moves this drill to different locations with different cover and obstacles like fences that the dog has to cast over. Also moves the drill to water.

    He then moves to teaching the process of blind retrieves. He increases the difficulty and distance over time and goes up to 400 yards across heavy cover and water. There's also a lot of instruction on building marking skills.

    So it very much follows a similar progression to Lardy's. But it's a little different in style and does not use compulsion training.

    I don't recommend it to a seasoned hunt tester or trialer in the US. I do recommend it to hunters looking for a thorough dvd that shows what to do from 7 weeks to 3 years to get a fully trained hunting dog. Also recommend it to those who don't use compulsion methods, but are following a proven US program to create a competition dog and need some different ideas for teaching and proofing Lardy and Graham type systems without the collar.

    Just my own view.

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