If Thomas Jefferson Were Alive Today

[Franco]

we need an RTF dentist 'cause I feel like I'm pullin' teeth here.

I feel the same way

But, a little clarification is in order. Franklin did sit on the committee but The Declaration Of Independence is too perfect a document to have been written by a committee! Jefferson locked himself in his hotel room and hammered it out over one weekend. All the other four members did was approve it for presentation.

Also, Franklin's Poor Richard Almanac was an informative and entertaining read of that time. Paine's Common Sense inspired men to take up arms and fight for their Liberty!

[Pete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

I contend that if this could be proposed and even considered and signed by many in 1961 then may be it could be considered in the 21st century (wink emoticon)

And we wonder why we have conspiracy theories.
The solution---- Don't give us a reason to wonder why
Pete

[Ken Bora]

in one of the Jefferson bio's I read a hundred years ago he was quoted as saying how unhappy he was to have had to work with the 4 others and wished he could have done it alone. I think it was Livingston (sp?) who years later doubled the size of the U.S. for Jefferson was a burr in the shorts. Everyone agrees Jefferson held the quil. He "Wrote" the document.

[Ken Bora]

.....I don't see the similaritees between Bernie Sanders and Jefferson. ....

while none of us know Jefferson except for what we can read. I actualy know Bernie. His Burlington office is one block away from were I work. I feed him about 2wice a month. He calls me Ken, I call him Bernie..... but so does everybody in Vermont. He is an odd duck.

[menmon]

nope it was a "New England" poke.
branching off....
for quite a few years now my Dad has let the feller who lives next door to him go up to our family deer camp on the vernal and atumnal equinox and and winter solstice. He and his friends are Druid and it seems, in Vermont anyway ther are not many places left to dance naked round a bonfire!! Talk about "Got That Old Time Religion!!!" And they are wonderfull folks and always split a big pile of wood for us after and totaly clean up after themself.

but I digress

so Menmon, your horse aint thirsty??

The point is...they were not loyal to any religion...they wanted freedom of religion...meaning that you could or not worship god or gods anyway you wanted to. Now today there are folks that believe what they believe so strongly that they want to force it on others and have the rules made in away not to offend their religion. This is exactly what they didn't want. There is a reason you should not talk religion and that is folks feel differnt about it and take strong offense to it and more the reason our laws should not be muddied with religious rights.

[M&K's Retrievers]

If TJ were alive today, I bet he would be a little ripe.

[road kill]

The point is...they were not loyal to any religion...they wanted freedom of religion...meaning that you could or not worship god or gods anyway you wanted to. Now today there are folks that believe what they believe so strongly that they want to force it on others and have the rules made in away not to offend their religion. This is exactly what they didn't want. There is a reason you should not talk religion and that is folks feel differnt about it and take strong offense to it and more the reason our laws should not be muddied with religious rights.

Are you referring to the "secularists" that ARE forcing all of us to accept their beleifs?????

[Ken Bora]

The point is...they were not loyal to any religion...they wanted freedom of religion...meaning that you could or not worship god or gods anyway you wanted to..

you are correct, I agree. and this is the crux of seperation of Church and state for the masses. they did not want the state dictating what church. sad many flip that upside down
and the point I am making is those that were Diest, the Dietie in question was The Christ.

You know, your head will not explode if every now and again you and I agree on something. For real.... give it a try

[menmon]

He is know as the "Great Architect of the Universe" not Christ, not to say Christ is not the Architect of the Universe, but to say there is a Master of us all and how you refer to him or worship him is between you and God. There are three great lights in masonary and one of them is the Bible...that bible can be the tora, the karan, the holy bible, etc.

my great light or rule and guide is the Holy Bible but another mans can be the karan

As someone who has studied masonary for a long time, the thinking behind the constitution was based on sound proven principals of masonary. Masonary is not a religion but it is based on sound moral principals of how men should live and it has stood the test of time. These men had seen how relgion had been used against men and didn't want it to happen in America. This is not to say they were not men of God, but men that knew that religion would destroy our liberty and freedom if given the opportunity.

[huntinman]

He is know as the "Great Architect of the Universe" not Christ, not to say Christ is not the Architect of the Universe, but to say there is a Master of us all and how you refer to him or worship him is between you and God. There are three great lights in masonary and one of them is the Bible...that bible can be the tora, the karan, the holy bible, etc.

my great light or rule and guide is the Holy Bible but another mans can be the karan

As someone who has studied masonary for a long time, the thinking behind the constitution was based on sound proven principals of masonary. Masonary is not a religion but it is based on sound moral principals of how men should live and it has stood the test of time. These men had seen how relgion had been used against men and didn't want it to happen in America. This is not to say they were not men of God, but men that knew that religion would destroy our liberty and freedom if given the opportunity.

You are a bricklayer?