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    I have always been more of a Franklin fan than a Jeffersonic, that was a very good post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    When people are asked if they are Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal, they get a 55% plus positive response!
    Thats all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that the big problem we have is the federal government and by and large the Libertarian Party is not taken at all seriously by the nation. They are not seen as a real contender. We live in a two party system and if you are living "off the grid" in that system you are not actually helping the country with your take your ball and go home attitude. I will however say that you should be able to vote for who ever the hell you like and not be restricted to the system if it is outside your ideals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    I have always been more of a Franklin fan than a Jeffersonic, that was a very good post.
    I am too, but only because Franklin is on a C Note ($100 bill) and TJ is on the twenty
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    [QUOTE=Cody Covey;1039414]Thats all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that the big problem we have is the federal government and by and large the Libertarian Party is not taken at all seriously by the nation. They are not seen as a real contender. We live in a two party system and if you are living "off the grid" in that system you are not actually helping the country with your take your ball and go home attitude. I will however say that you should be able to vote for who ever the hell you like and not be restricted to the system if it is outside your ideals.[/QUOTE]

    Don't know if you looked at that link I post to the CATO Inst survey? 55% responded that they are Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. What that 55% hasn't recognized yet is that they are Libertarians! Remember, the Dems and Repubs control the media as well as the debates, they don't want another voice to be heard. Which brings me back to the rapid grow of the Libertarian Party, especially with the under 40 year olds. That's because neither the Dems or Repubs represent them. Again, where and how will the GOP grow in hopes of taking the White House back with a platform that appeals to so few?

    I did vote my conscience, which didn't include the big spending. big goverment Republicans or Democrats. I can't support this new Conservatism, Reagan/Bush Conservatism of Deficit spending, big intrusive goverment, limited Liberties via their Social Conservatism. That's because I believe in Liberty for all Americans. Just as I can't support the Dems with their big spending, big government Socialist ways.

    Americans that are Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal now have a party. The third oldest Party is America is in an awareness/growth mode because quite frankly, the Dems and the Repubs do not represent the trend in voter preference. They have become the party of the Socialist and the party of the Christian Right.
    The Libertarian Party believes that all persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. A call for the repeal of the income tax, abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes. LP.org

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    What I find interesting is that so many of our political leaders have been members of a secret society, or consult with members of secret societies.


    It seems that the ratio of normal people getting in office is almost nill compared to a small number of secret society members who's portion of society is incredibly small,,yet in the political arena it seems like they are every where, representing or influencing both parties
    Both bush and keary (spelling) were skull and bones. What a choice we had in 2004. Something isn't right here.


    I'll bet if you studied the private life of a good portion of out presidents you will find many were masons. It sure seems like a religion to me. The religion of politics. So many symbols many steeped in catholicism and ancient mystery relgions.

    may be this should be a new thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Americans that are Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal now have a party. The third oldest Party is America is in an awareness/growth mode because quite frankly, the Dems and the Repubs do not represent the trend in voter preference. They have become the party of the Socialist and the party of the Christian Right.
    Therein lies the issue . Those who are fiscally conservative & socially moderate are the folks that need a party, which the Libertarians do not provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    Therein lies the issue . Those who are fiscally conservative & socially moderate are the folks that need a party, which the Libertarians do not provide.
    Not according to the CATO and Gallup surveys that I posted! And, what the hell is Socially Moderate? Someone that believes in Liberty for all just some of the time or when it suits them? Or would that be like Fiscally Moderate, just big spending government some of the time? Crony Capitaism when they see fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    And, what the hell is Socially Moderate?
    They are the folks who do not condone behavior that does not set a good example for youth - in case you wonder, it is about future generations .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    And, what the hell is Socially Moderate? Someone that believes in Liberty for all just some of the time or when it suits them?
    maybe someone that is anti abortion, but pro death penalty...someone that is ambivalent to gay marriage, legalization of marijuana,someone who is anti immigration.....

    There are lots of different stances on social issues...probably many more people that are socially moderate than you might imagine, its not a one size fits all scenario
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    maybe someone that is anti abortion, but pro death penalty...someone that is ambivalent to gay marriage, legalization of marijuana,someone who is anti immigration.....

    There are lots of different stances on social issues...probably many more people that are socially moderate than you might imagine, its not a one size fits all scenario
    I would say that most folks outside the POTUS "echo chamber" would consider your view as Socially Conservative and not moderate. The words "anti' and "ambivalent" aren't exactly positive nor supports Freedom.

    You are pro death penalty as I am. However, the Libertarian Party's stance on capital punishment is that it is up to the individual states to decide.

    BTW, I think you have every Right to be Socially Conservative.
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