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    I had a cocker spaniel that I am sure had spaniel rage. He bit everyone in the house. I watched him run five feet and bite my son, totally unprovoked. Also bit my mother the same way. He was ultimately put down.
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    Let me start off by saying: “Hi, welcome, and SORRY this is the thread developing for your 1st post

    I worked for a groomer once and we groomed a Springer Spaniel (a regular) with springer rage.

    It was the scariest thing ever. The dog lived 99% of its life muzzled. I always wondered why he wasn’t put down. His quality of life was “nill” in my opinion.

    From what I read - I would wonder if your dog has a true diagnosis. From my personal experience (and I could be wrong but this is what I saw and have been lead to believe).... a dog with “Springer Rage” does not have the “where - with - all” and “logic” to have NOT bit your wife during the episode on the couch. Dogs going through a rage episode will bite. The switch is flipped and until it flips back they are for lack of better term - just not there. With the one I saw it had NOTHING to do with any trigger (i.e. being woke from a nap, or exercise, or certain type of petting, eye contact, etc...) The dog was just fine one minute, walking on a leash/in the bath tub, being pet, in a crate etc..., tail wagging. Happy. The next minute - ROAR, SNAP, BITE, lash around, the next minute - panting eyes glazed over and climbing “out of it”.... headed back to normal until who knew when.

    The brain aneurysm story regarding the dalmatian mentioned above is interesting... Maybe there are other medical opinions & medical behavioral treatments options you can consider??
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    Small update for everyone... Let me say first I love this dog with all of my heart, he is the first one I have had in 12 yrs (Took me a long time to get over the loss of the last one) and i am a part time guide here in Arkansas. I talked to my buddy last night and backed out of the deal and told him I could not live with the fact if something did happen I would never forgive myself for it and him getting the dog was no longer a option. And as far as the RTF family you can call me selfish or what ever but I believe in my own mind I owe it to myself and my dog to finish the season with him as long as no other incidents occur and then call it quits with him at the end of the season. I

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    I get the pleasure of sepending the day with a Pro Trainner tomorrow, this will be my second visit. (Offered to be bird boy on first trip LOL!) I talked to him about this on my first trip and he has never heard of it but we still got the offer to come back and let him run some set ups. So we are excited and thankful for the opportunity. Maby he will see something I don't, never hurts to get another set of eyes on the evaluation team. Fingers still crossed...

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    I would strongly consider an appointment with a board certified veterinary behaviorist. If you go this route, there is often a waiting list. Ask to be moved up if there is a cancellation.

    Do you happen to have video of an incident?

    From past discussions with behavior professionals, there is a lot skepticism as to whether "springer rage" is a real/appropriate diagnosis or not. Quite a few say that these are often cases of dogs displaying aggressive behaviors when very conflicted (wanting to interact but also afraid). The difference between the "springer rage" labeled dogs and may be a matter of how small the triggers are and/or the extent in the severity of the behavior.

    I've worked with several dogs who supposedly had "springer rage" (though no history of breaking skin. Those go automatically to the vet behaviorist here) but once we started talking, we were able to identify the triggers and provide appropriate training. The owners were not aware of the specific triggers until we discussed the incidents in detail and were able to see the pattern of the aggressive behaviors being displayed in the same contexts again and again. To the owners it seemed "to come out of nowhere" and be "unprovoked" but the dog had very real fear/stress/concern in each of those incidents. Not to say the behavior was appropriate -its not- but it wasn't the "out of nowhere" incident initially described.

    When reading any information online about "springer rage" be sure to note the author and when the material was published....be hesitant with older sources.

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    I know of a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel that had "Springer Rage". It was scary to say the least. I wholeheartedly agree with getting a second opinion especially by someone with experience in this condition or a behaviourist. This is a tough one for sure.
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    Make sure it is just not Epilepsy. Had a male that had Epilepsy and when he would seize he growled. Talked to my vet and it is common for them to display this behavior. He was just as afraid as we were during his seizures. I wish you the best.
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    We had a great day with the Pro and their vet happened to stop by, I asked her about the incident and according to her she never heard of it but was not ruling it out. She did say that there is a condition where High fat high protine dog food would build toxins in the body and cause liver damage, It would make it seem as if they were drunk. Can not for the life of me rember the name. I did feed another brand of dog food when he did this one time before but have changed to PPP and he is on his secon bag when the last incident occured so not sure of that either. Planning on having a entry level blood pannl for liver function. As far as Behavior Specialist I do not know of one or the closest but going to try that route also. So.....still trying! I also got info on other avenues from the vet to check out just have not had the time to do so yet.

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