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    Noticing that a good many pups both amateur and pro handled that are entered in Qualifying Stakes that have previous 1st or 2nd placements that supposedly make them QAA. Are they running for experience before moving on to the major stakes or some other motivation that isn't apparent? What do you see as the motivation?
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    Maybe they aren't really ready to run the AA stakes, need more experience or the trial they placed in didn't have stiff competition or, the dog performed higher than its' own known abilities that single day?

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    I believe that if the dog had placed first 2 times and they are already registered up to run subsequent trials prior to their second first, they are eligible to compete in those trials. This may account for some of what you are speaking of......just a thought!

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    There are many motivations. The dog may not be ready to move up, the handler may need more experience,The dog may have 2 firsts in a row, and the owner wants to be able to say "my dog got 1st in 3 consecutive Quals", its easier to get a ribbon in a Q than all age stakes , or the all important "because the rules allow it, and they can"
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    IMO. Why waste time running more Q"s. If the dog proved it's self in the Q move on. If that dog can win a Q it can also have a good day and place/win an Am.

    QAA is not a title. If you're having a good weekend and running well, it would seem a waste to me to place in a Q when you "may" have placed in an Am.
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    The rules allow it and if you can't beat a dog who's already QAA and still eligible to run in a Qualifying stake then what ya gonna do against those AFC/FCs in an AA stake?

    FTs are competitions....not everyone gets a "participation ribbon" and they do "keep score"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    The rules allow it and if you can't beat a dog who's already QAA and still eligible to run in a Qualifying stake then what ya gonna do against those AFC/FCs in an AA stake?

    FTs are competitions....not everyone gets a "participation ribbon" and they do "keep score"

    That is exactly my point...If you can win a Q, you also have a good chance of placing in an Am.

    For the cost of admission, if your dog has a great weekend and beats every other dog there hands down.... Wouldn't you wish you had entered the Am.???

    Every dog has it's day......go big or go home?? yes/no?
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    The work that may win a Qual may not play in an Amatuer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    The work that may win a Qual may not play in an Amatuer....


    I know this....But a QAA dog is just a good day away from a Am. placement.

    Why waste the time and money running a Q. ???

    To each their own but, I'll run the Am. anytime before the Q...... When I can.


    To the OP... I have no idea why they would continue to run the Q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rnd View Post
    IMO. Why waste time running more Q"s. If the dog proved it's self in the Q move on. If that dog can win a Q it can also have a good day and place/win an Am.

    QAA is not a title. If you're having a good weekend and running well, it would seem a waste to me to place in a Q when you "may" have placed in an Am.
    Some dogs actually benefit from the experience of running the Qualifying. A certain type of dog gains confidence from running four series on the weekend rather than only one which can be the case for a year or more when a 2 year old moves up to all-age stakes.

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