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    Did anyone make note of GDP today 2.7% in the third quarter. Can't call that gloom and doom.

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    I think before anyone starts to jump up and down we need to take a sobering look at the mandates that ObamaCare is going to shove down our throats. My 73yo dad just fell and broke his hip. In addition, he has a torn meniscus that hasn't so far responded to surgery. The surgeon that did the hip replacement said he just needs a knee replacement and to get it done before 2014. Why? Because at that point, Medicare might not even allow him to get a knee replacement, too risky, putting him under might put him under for good. Yet, he has no risk factors that would elevate the standard risks that the rest of us have.

    Not to mention, a hospital in Madison, Meriter, just announced that they are laying off 140 full time staff because of the upcoming reduced payments for Medicare patients. I foresee a lot of waiting in line for a doctor and declining of procedures because the government doesn't want to pay for them. Be careful national healthcare backers, you just might get what you wished for and not like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Maybe in the land of liberals where you live but certainly not here in NC. We increased the number of republicans we sent to the House of Representives tossing more Dums to the street.
    For the first time in over 150 years we have a fully republican state, the governor, the house, and the senate.
    I just saw that the Republican candidate in NC has conceded the election in question. Let us know if it is true, that you actually don't have an all republican state govt.

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    "I foresee a lot of waiting in line for a doctor and declining of procedures because the government doesn't want to pay for them."

    How is that any different than what is going on now? The insurance companies tell you what they are going to cover and what they are not. then to get them to pay for a claim, it almost takes an act of God to get any money out of them. Not my personal insurance, but friends of mine have insurance providers that make you jump through all kind of hoops to get them to cover anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murral stark View Post
    "I foresee a lot of waiting in line for a doctor and declining of procedures because the government doesn't want to pay for them."

    How is that any different than what is going on now? The insurance companies tell you what they are going to cover and what they are not. then to get them to pay for a claim, it almost takes an act of God to get any money out of them. Not my personal insurance, but friends of mine have insurance providers that make you jump through all kind of hoops to get them to cover anything.
    I generally don't have a problem getting in to see a doctor and don't have the problems with the insurance companies like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiMeister View Post
    I think before anyone starts to jump up and down we need to take a sobering look at the mandates that ObamaCare is going to shove down our throats. My 73yo dad just fell and broke his hip. In addition, he has a torn meniscus that hasn't so far responded to surgery. The surgeon that did the hip replacement said he just needs a knee replacement and to get it done before 2014. Why? Because at that point, Medicare might not even allow him to get a knee replacement, too risky, putting him under might put him under for good. Yet, he has no risk factors that would elevate the standard risks that the rest of us have.

    Not to mention, a hospital in Madison, Meriter, just announced that they are laying off 140 full time staff because of the upcoming reduced payments for Medicare patients. I foresee a lot of waiting in line for a doctor and declining of procedures because the government doesn't want to pay for them. Be careful national healthcare backers, you just might get what you wished for and not like it.
    Are you paying attention to the debate in Washington right now? Republicans demanding that entitlements be on the table for a deal on the "fiscal cliff." And they were ones scare mongering that Obama is cutting $700 billion out of medicare. What the hell do you think they mean by "entitlement reform" for crying out loud? Oh, I know! Lets make it a voucher system. Then look out trying to pay for dad's knee replacement. Guess what? Were going broke and a big part of the reason is the cost of medical care. Go ahead and blame it on Obama. The fact is we can't afford to pay 17% of GDP on medical care, and no one expects inflation in that market to end there. Why don't you tell us what YOUR solution is? Should we just continue until the house of cards comes down? Good grief...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiMeister View Post
    I generally don't have a problem getting in to see a doctor and don't have the problems with the insurance companies like that.
    When is the last time you tried to get into a specialist? I had to see a neurologist a few years ago. THREE month wait to get in. My mom recently had to see a nephrologist. Guess what? Two month wait!

    But no, we don't have any waiting lists in the good old USA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LokiMeister View Post
    I generally don't have a problem getting in to see a doctor and don't have the problems with the insurance companies like that.
    I don't either. Except if I need to see a specialst. But some of my friends have issues. Not so much getting in to see the doctor, rather getting the insurance company to pay. My very closest friend has cancer and requires lots of lab work. He just got a notice from the insurance company that "it wasn't medically necessary" to have this lab work even though his oncologist ordered the lab work and deemed it medically necessary. If the doctor deems it medically necessary, what's up with the insurance company saying it isn't? Are the people deciding whether they are going to pay or not; doctors or are they just giving an uneducated guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Are you paying attention to the debate in Washington right now? Republicans demanding that entitlements be on the table for a deal on the "fiscal cliff." And they were ones scare mongering that Obama is cutting $700 billion out of medicare. What the hell do you think they mean by "entitlement reform" for crying out loud? Oh, I know! Lets make it a voucher system. Then look out trying to pay for dad's knee replacement. Guess what? Were going broke and a big part of the reason is the cost of medical care. Go ahead and blame it on Obama. The fact is we can't afford to pay 17% of GDP on medical care, and no one expects inflation in that market to end there. Why don't you tell us what YOUR solution is? Should we just continue until the house of cards comes down? Good grief...
    I didn't want national health insurance, just like a lot of other people. We are headed down the path to less care overall. I don't know what the solution is, I just know this isn't it. Hate to bring up a lightning rod, but if you want a better health plan we need to look Ron Paul's way and get rid of HMO's, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murral stark View Post
    I don't either. Except if I need to see a specialst. But some of my friends have issues. Not so much getting in to see the doctor, rather getting the insurance company to pay. My very closest friend has cancer and requires lots of lab work. He just got a notice from the insurance company that "it wasn't medically necessary" to have this lab work even though his oncologist ordered the lab work and deemed it medically necessary. If the doctor deems it medically necessary, what's up with the insurance company saying it isn't? Are the people deciding whether they are going to pay or not; doctors or are they just giving an uneducated guess?
    You're going to see even more of this for more treatable ailments.
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