Snake River's Banana Cream Pie MH
Quote "No one has ever gotten 5 Qual jams in one season with a Golden trained without compulsion and force fetch, until now."
Where /who has kept these records so show this? NO where have I seen records of dogs training methods when on EE or any other statistical sites.. Ever is a long time and there are a lot of dogs that have received RJ's or Jam's since the existence of FT's. I would think that since this training is not as well known that the folks who have done this may not be well known either.
I am not trying to down grade the accomplishment only saying that to some it may not be that great of an accomplishment compared to the time spent, as each take their own path to get to the same destination.
1) Applying these training techniques to field dogs is relatively new.
2) Doing this is kind of an experiment, nobody knows if it will work or how well it will work, much less if it will ever work as well as conventional training.
3) To the OP's knowledge, this is a high water mark for a purely positively trained field dog, so something to cheer about, even if it is modest bu some of our standards.
Like many of you I am in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp, and have been happy doing what 95% have done, but if it weren't for people trying new things through history, we would still be wearing animal skins and using our dogs to drag our stuff from camp to camp. So I say good for Laddie and Jennifer, success might be slow to start, but hopefully she can prove her point and revolutionize retriever training.
i think alot of these ideas where used way before e collars. i just get the fellin, and it could be just me, that some of this is due to the fact that people havent seen the right way to train with the so called conventional methods. i promise my dogs are happy.
by the way not tring to start anything, its raining outside and i am bored to death.
Nothing wrong with having different tools in your belt? I know trainers were probably hesitant to use the e-collar when they came out. When they came out they experienced problems and created problems. They had to learn how to apply the technique properly before it became an effective tool. Through this process, many trainers became "greats" and got their names in the Hall of Fame. They have tools in their belts that nobody who employ's 100% modern methods will ever learn from video's and seminars. Do all their tools work, are all the tools still viable today? Nope. Not saying that just like this thread isn't about convincing someone to use a specific method. I see it as being more about learning. Maybe even learning something new?
I just have to add that I have used it for what I call "field obedience". I cleared up many issues. The only one that remains to be cleared up is the misunderstanding my training partners have about my methods. I will be clicking their behavior, too.
"I love the rod and gun and where they take me."
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