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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    So da yoopers destroyed Detroit??

    That is rich!!!
    I lived both in the Lower and the Upper Peninsulas. The fundamental story of both places is both areas lost their economic base. It is a matter of economic geography. Cities continue to thrive as long as they have a reason for existence. When that reason weakens they either languish for decades or they become ghost towns as sure as some of the old mining towns in the west. The reasons for the Detroit's loss of that base are as legion as sand grains on a beach. In the U.P. it was a diminishing resource base as well as new technologies made mining more profitable elsewhere.

    And no, Stan I didn't say it was W's fault.

    Kindly lay off the Yoopers! They are the salt of the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menmon View Post
    .................................................. ...........................unlike Texas where you see farmers go around rough spots because it is cheaper to not use than put in production.......................................
    Temptation has reared it's ugly head.

    Sold 160 acres to city fellow. He or someone he leased the place to has filled the drain ditch that went through the field and are farming that low area. What he has done is made a top soil "wash away". The ditch ( read rough spot ) let the water from higher ground drain through the area without much loss of soil. On each side of that ditch was a narrow strip of unfarmed ground ( dandy place for the quail nests ). The rough ground not being farmed is not farmed for a good reason.....hard pan ( won't grow anything ), old oil spill, old salt water spill, rocks near the surface that will tear up expensive machinery, boggy area where you get tractors etc. stuck ( it is not ready to work at the correct time, crop planted later in that area would not be ready at the correct time to harvest etc. ). If they know what they are doing there is probably a good reason for the going around that area. Now if you got some company buying up land and farming it they may send green hands into the field and work the whole field. Doesn't mean it's being done right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    I lived both in the Lower and the Upper Peninsulas. The fundamental story of both places is both areas lost their economic base. It is a matter of economic geography. Cities continue to thrive as long as they have a reason for existence. When that reason weakens they either languish for decades or they become ghost towns as sure as some of the old mining towns in the west. The reasons for the Detroit's loss of that base are as legion as sand grains on a beach. In the U.P. it was a diminishing resource base as well as new technologies made mining more profitable elsewhere.

    And no, Stan I didn't say it was W's fault.

    Kindly lay off the Yoopers! They are the salt of the earth.
    I am almost certain I am not the one who brought da yoopers into the conversation................

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    Its amazing how people who have never been to Detroit much less lived there like to tell us, who did live and work there, that they are instant experts on the problems of Detroit. Then there is the rusto-porngraphers that come from the outside and photograph the old Packard plant as if it tells Detroit's story. It doesn't. To those who want to pin the decline of Detroit on their own particular political demons, you should study up before you pontificate and thus show you don't know Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    Its amazing how people who have never been to Detroit much less lived there like to tell us, who did live and work there, that they are instant experts on the problems of Detroit. Then there is the rusto-porngraphers that come from the outside and photograph the old Packard plant as if it tells Detroit's story. It doesn't. To those who want to pin the decline of Detroit on their own particular political demons, you should study up before you pontificate and thus show you don't know Jack.

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    Please, enlighten us, what caused Detroit to get where is is today??
    And if you think that city is doing well...................

    You know, more abandoned acreage than the entire acreage of Paris????


    BTW---I have been there, within the last 18 months and every decade since the 60's.
    WOW!!!!!
    Ain't Denny McClain's & Gordie Howe's Detroit.


    The garden spot of the midwest!!!

    Again, tell us what happened?????
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    Equating the downfall of Detroit with Welfare programs is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    Equating the downfall of Detroit with Welfare programs is ridiculous.
    It is the result of liberalism fulfilled.
    Not "equating" anything.

    You have another reason??

    Tell us what it is?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Please, enlihgten us, what caused Detroit to get where is is today??

    You know, more abandoned acreage than the entire acreage of Paris????


    BTW---I have been there, within the last 18 months and every decade since the 60's.





    WOW!!!!!
    Ain't Denny McClain's & Gordie Howe's Detroit.


    The garden spot of the midwest!!!

    Again, tell us what happened?????
    It is a whole college degree in economic geography, political policy, business practices, automation, labor relations, demographics, race relations, foreign competition, international trade deals, race relations, etc. For $7000 a semester I'll be glad to be your instructor.

    PS: You mean Jail Bird Denny??
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    What has caused more long term destruction-
    The A-bomb,
    Or
    Government welfare programs created to buy the
    Votes of those who want someone to take care of them?


    Have Government programs caused Detroit to become what it is today? Has it contributed to Detroits downfall? It's is your post you need to defend those questions.

    There are numerous reasons Detroit is where they are today, One of which is the auto industry which was that cities largest employer.There vision was flawed and their products were second rate.

    Solely blaming Detroits downfall on "Liberalism fullfilled" is misleading at best

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    It is a whole college degree in economic geography, political policy, business practices, automation, labor relations, demographics, race relations, foreign competition, international trade deals, race relations, etc. For $7000 a semester I'll be glad to be your instructor.

    PS: You mean Jail Bird Denny??
    In a nutshell, Detroit FAILED TO COMPETE! So it can whine and complain it is a victum. Instead of spending $7000/semester(poor efficiency), how about just taking a look at what Tn, Al, Ms, Ky, Ga has done then you will see how to compete. This is where the auto industry resides and is doing quite well. Then again you probably call this foreign competition.
    No I don't live in detroit, I live in Tn.(the US auto capital) and the US capital of the auto industry competes and is doing quite well. By the way nothing in the auto bailout helped nor was needed here. In fact probably hurt.

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