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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Lets don't forget Ted Nugent, Kid Rock and John Lee Hooker! Alice Cooper is from Detroit too but he was more a stage act than anything else.
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    Well, lets don't forget Grand Funk Railroad! I work with a guy that spent his first 30 years in Detroit. Yet, he and his wife both drive Nissans. According to him, the best thing the city could do is ban all private and public sector unions. The public sector union is by far the biggest reason for Detroit's debt and the private sector unions is why business won't relocate there. Also, the more they have raised taxes the worse it became, having the opposite affect of what the politicians thought it would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    Fro those who love to pin the demise of Detroit on Progressives aka democrats, there is a little fact you might be interested in. The beginning of Detroit's decline is generally ascribed to be the race riots which took place in 1967. The Democrats have occupied the Michigan house was occupied by George Romney, a republican, at that time. In fact there was a republican incumbent occupying the state house from 1963 -1982. Since 1963, when the new state constitution was passed, democrat governors served only 16 out of the 59 years. If something could have been done then certainly conservative principles could have been employed by republican governors to stop the slide. Instead, they diverted millions of dollars to the nefarious regimes of Mayor Coleman Young and his successors.
    Nice try. Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact the there are others in government besides the governor. As for Romney from what I understand is that he did a lot for the auto industry and detroit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    Having been born and raised in Detroit, I can tell you that Government welfare programs had little to do with the decline of the city. There were a series of far more damaging social, political, and economic factors at work that caused the current conditions. For the author of the article to suggest welfare programs led to the decline only shows how little they actually know about Detroit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    To delve into all the contributing issues would take far more time than I have today. However, the main factor is the loss of an economic base caused by the decline of the auto industry and other manufacturing. Most of the jobs in, and around Detroit, were in the auto industry, supported the auto industries, or were created as by-products of the auto industry. Many of the other manufacturing jobs were also out-sourced, and left Detroit. Surely, you donít think those plants closed because the people of Detroit would rather be on welfare, and wouldnít go to work. The jobs left, so there was no reason for the plants to be open.

    Detroit had an industrial based economy. When the jobs left, people didnít simply decide to go on welfare. The people left as well to look for employment elsewhere. The population of Detroit has declined from about 1.5 million in the 1970s (when manufacturing jobs started to leave) to a population of about 700k now. Detroit has lost about 25% of its population in the last 10 years.

    With the loss of jobs, businesses, and population, came the loss of city revenues needed to run and support the city, so city services began to disappear, leading to further decline. Unfortunately, Detroit has not been able to attract enough new business to replace what it lost.

    Like I said, there were many contributing factors to why this all happened, but welfare programs really wasnít one of them.
    Wouldn't have anything to do with the the contractor scams, Detroit board of education, water works, or Mayor Young or Mayor Kilpatrick would it? Nah, that's just too logical.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I don't know what part of the state your are from, but from your screen name, I'd guess the UP. I grew up in Michigan. I have lived around Detroit, up in Western Northern Michigan around Manistee, and I lived in the UP for six years while I went to Michigan Tech. One thing that always made an impression on me was the impression around the state that all those poor black people around Detroit were sucking up all the welfare and medicaid. But my impression was that there was just as much poverty around the rest of the state, it's just more concentrated and more noticeable around the urban areas. So, I googled poverty rates and Michigan, and guess what? The poverty rate is higher in many rural areas than it is in Wayne County.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/...for_rural.html

    So, maybe it's time to poke your head up and take a look around...
    You're probably right, but look what Detoilet gets in state and federal funds for poverty vs the UP. Apples to oranges man. Also look into how much money is spent per student in Detoilet vs per student in the UP. Hell, even in a poor district called Willow run, which is now being incorporated into the Ypsilanti district due to lack of funds, 30 miles west of Detoilt doesn't get the same amount of money.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    Liberals running Detroit did not cause the decline of the auto industry.
    Liberals running Detroit did not cause other manufacturing jobs to go overseas.
    Liberals running Detroit did not cause businesses and jobs to leave.
    Liberals running Detroit did not cause the decline in population.

    Those are the things that really killed Detroit
    The UAW wouldn't have anything to do with this would it? Good luck getting ANY manufacturing to willing come to Michigan. Why, they even build new car plants down South. Gee, I wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    Oh please. The first pic is a casino. And of the ones that have come I belive one of them closed.

    In the second pic the Ren Cen has been around for years while never really having full occupancy and that piece of crap people mover only goes back and forth over about a 1 mile stretch and no one usese it. Detroit actually operates it at a loss.

    The 3rd pic is Ford Field for the Lions and the 4th pic is Commerica park for the Tigers. People come downtown for those and then leave immediately after and for good reason. There's not much else to do and high crime within 1 mile away. You DO NOT go there unless there's a game or you stay near the fields. At least you won't find me there.
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    You will never get a liberal to admit to failed policies and ventures that continue to kill "big cities" all across the country. High crime, high unemployment, population flight, etc., etc., etc. They refuse to ever take responsibility! It's absolutely amazing and sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Well, lets don't forget Grand Funk Railroad! I work with a guy that spent his first 30 years in Detroit. Yet, he and his wife both drive Nissans. According to him, the best thing the city could do is ban all private and public sector unions. The public sector union is by far the biggest reason for Detroit's debt and the private sector unions is why business won't relocate there. Also, the more they have raised taxes the worse it became, having the opposite affect of what the politicians thought it would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    I love Vancouver weather and wouldn't live anywhere else, I have lived in Japan and hated the humidity in the summer and the cold of winter, found the same to be true when I lived in Toronto and suspect that the climate in Detroit would be similar, so that's a no there for me too.

    The important question is did the story you posted have sufficient truth to be credible and deserve worrying yourself over and the clear answer is, no it did not. Japan has a National Healthcare System and Social Welfare, and Detroit may have been put to death slowly over the years but Claycomo is rising and Dearborn is doing fine.

    From the perspective of an outsider I am appalled by the ferocious level of animosity I see being whipped up to divide the population of the USA, it truly distresses me to see facts misrepresented to create unnecessary anxiety (not blaming you, I see you as an innocent victim here). A great nation has to be imbued with confidence from the top down and the bottom up and that just can't happen where lies and manipulation seek to replace truth and wisdom.
    As an "outsider" I am appalled by the ferocious level of animosity I see being whipped up to divide the English population and French population in Canada, wasn't it only one vote that kept the country from being split......maybe your comments on "top down" comments apply in Canada also....of course just my observations as an "Outsider"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    As an "outsider" I am appalled by the ferocious level of animosity I see being whipped up to divide the English population and French population in Canada, wasn't it only one vote that kept the country from being split......maybe your comments on "top down" comments apply in Canada also....of course just my observations as an "Outsider"...
    Interesting about Canada. The Anglo/French debate has been going on for many decades. The two-language situation in Quebec is a monstrosity (coming from a Canadian). There's a lesson to be learned there if the US should contemplate incorporating Spanish. I worked for a company that sent a product to Canada. Putting all the label info in TWO languages made the print almost illegible. I find the same thing happening with labels here done in both English & Spanish ... and as I get older I notice that it is not helpful to have info on a label too small to read! Both English & Spanish elderly can have a big problem with that when it comes to OTC meds.

    So, Canada, Ireland and the ME clearly demonstrate that divisions can be as violent and damaging within the same races/ethnic groups as those between different races and ethnic groups. In either case, those who foment division v. understanding are culpable of being damaging to their countries/societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    I love Vancouver weather and wouldn't live anywhere else, I have lived in Japan and hated the humidity in the summer and the cold of winter, found the same to be true when I lived in Toronto and suspect that the climate in Detroit would be similar, so that's a no there for me too.

    The important question is did the story you posted have sufficient truth to be credible and deserve worrying yourself over and the clear answer is, no it did not. Japan has a National Healthcare System and Social Welfare, and Detroit may have been put to death slowly over the years but Claycomo is rising and Dearborn is doing fine.

    From the perspective of an outsider I am appalled by the ferocious level of animosity I see being whipped up to divide the population of the USA, it truly distresses me to see facts misrepresented to create unnecessary anxiety (not blaming you, I see you as an innocent victim here). A great nation has to be imbued with confidence from the top down and the bottom up and that just can't happen where lies and manipulation seek to replace truth and wisdom.
    You nailed it, nothing to see here.
    Mis represented facts?
    It's DONE!!!!!

    I hope you are enjoying Canada!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Lets don't forget Ted Nugent, Kid Rock and John Lee Hooker! Alice Cooper is from Detroit too but he was more a stage act than anything else.
    Boz Skaggs, Emminem, & Les Paul also

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