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    What is everyones take on James Spencers method for beginners? I know its older material but I like his approach.

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    I used his books and Paul Morrisons books to train my AWS. Worked well for me. I had alot of help from Paul as he is my breeder also.

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    Are you training a Spaniel? Pam Kadlec's book, Retriever Training for Spaniels, is more up to date than Spencer's.
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    I knew James Spencer and as an aeronautical engineer he was frustrated w/available non-logical training methods when he wrote his books. He was a Golden lover and had an affinity for American Water Spaniels. In the resurrection days of the American Water Spaniel Club he judged often as did David Duffy . If you follow his methods you certainly can't go wrong for a hunting/hunt test dog. Field Trial training requires you to kick it up beyond Spencer in a myriad number of ways.

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    I will be training a lab. This is my first time and the dog will be a family dog. Just looking for a non aggressive approach that Spencer seems to have and embrace. I have been reading his training retrievers book and it makes sense to me, more than some others I have looked into. But again, I am new to this.

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    I stopped paying attention to Jim when he wrote about e-collar training in what I considered to be a biased and ignorant fashion. I would not follow his methodologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason400 View Post
    What is everyones take on James Spencers method for beginners? I know its older material but I like his approach.
    I used his writing in the 1980s when he published the retriever article in every issue of Gun Dog magazine.
    I liked his "non-hell week"approach to force fetching. He was an excellent writer and I enjoyed reading three of his retriever books and Gun Dog magazine columns.

    However, I would not recommend his methods decades later...

    I do not like his use of white cones in teaching lining,

    or his advice to ONLY teach verbal overs and verbal backs for casting.

    Or his idea that repeating marks is appropriate in most marking setups.

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    Im going to read his book just to broaden the spectrum of knowledge. I will read smartworks.

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    Im going to read his book just to broaden the spectrum of knowledge. I will read smartworks.

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    Jason,

    I think that's the right thing to do. There is no one book or video that has it all. I bought "Hup" his work on Spaniel training for his "Force Fetch Light" method, which I was interested in learning more about. In the end it wasn't for me, but how would I have known without reading it?

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