Yes, got a trio of them in Idaho......
Here is a little exercise taught to me by the late Roy McFall...He would have me put a squawking banty rooster in a round cylindrical pen/cage...I would then walk/heel the dog past the banty on the way to setting a sight blind...the dog would inevitably take a look or even wind the bird, at which time I would tap the dog with a heeling stick and tell them "leave it"
Now I set the sight blind a good 75-100 yds past the rooster but to where the dog has to "shave the nose " of the rooster on the intended line...as we walk back to the line on the same exact line, I again remind the dog that the rooster is "off limits"
I will then run the sight blind...if the dog hangs up or sucks to the rooster we make a correction..sometimes the sequence will have to be repeated or even variations where a banty is thrown right off the line...the dog is told to leave it, and sent for the blind
and FTR ..We train without a collar and no FF..we do however teach a type of force hold, I do not use a stock prod, rat shot,or a slingshot...I do not use M&M's or treats (except for little parlor tricks)..I do not beat my dogs nor brutalize or abuse them..I will use a heeling stick, a short rope..I do not use force to make the dog go...I use the attraction of the bird/prize to pull the dog to its desired location...
Weekend trials generally devoid of water work - sort of like (sorry, Eug) Aston Villa's goal differential this season...
From the KC "J" regs
MG10. Water Retrieves
a. In Open and All Aged Stakes, the water retrieve is a blind retrieve from across water. If a dog returns by land, it should not be penalised for this unless it wastes time thereby.
As crackerd posted, very few. Even on ordinary shoot days there won't be many; just in the way that a lot of US sportsmen have developed their interest in duck hunting over decoys, so in UK the driven scene looms large. So the specialist retrievers in the US work in a lot of water, but in UK we have a heavy exposure to heavy numbers on land, and of course you can expect ground game. What you term upland and we call "rough shooting" are pretty much the same.does anyone know what kind of water retrieves you would see at a British field trial?
Two Fridays back I actually had six water retrieves on the bounce; all pheasants that had landed in a lake. By your standards they were pretty simple, nothing over 50 yards and only one blind. The following Wednesday I had to have the dog in question put down which was a real punch in the face. But still, as a Villa supporter you get used to disappointment.
MG ....it was "Eddie"one of the pair I had from Jeff, I've told him about it. As you know he had a really cruel trot with his dogs a couple of years back, but he's doing well with them now. Given up Trialling, and judging too, and seemingly happier for it.
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Thank you, very kind, Mine's a pint.
Not sure what J Regs you have got now Crackered, but there is no stipulation that FTs have a blind retrieve across water at all for retrievers, although dogs are required to gain a water certificate to gain their FT Champion status...
So, in this respect, water work is not our major focus.
Summer working tests are much more likely to have water elements, across rivers, ponds etc, but nothing like the technical retrieves you see in your sport. However, dogs also have to cross many different types of obstacles (such as multiple fences, stone walls, gates, ditches, dykes, going through hedge lines, woods, cover crops etc) and this requires just as much discipline from our dogs in holding their course and not deviating from the line. Dogs requiring a lot of handling and re-casting in the face of these obstacles would be penalised.
km, ta for clarifying - my J regs may be outdated (couple years old). But "making the" or "making their" water retrieve (singular) has been a staple of all the IGL champs I've been attuned to, at least the last decade or so.
Eug, sorry to hear about Eddie - you did a'right by them two, bless you for it. Hope the squire of Chatston Gundogs resurfaces in the FT game with his sangfroid still "Always Look(ing) on the Bright Side of Life" - a gem, he is.
I think the water retrieve at the IGL sometimes is more a 'crowd pleaser' than anything else, if it happens!! Certainly didn't happen at Blankney 2009 and Nevill Holt 2011 among the recent ones. Let's face it, all our dogs can swim, so that is not really what we are 'testing'. There is more focus on game finding ability, marking, scenting, style and then working in-tune with the handler to seemingly pick the birds with ease...
When I think of British Labs only one comes to mind for me. HRCH Ellie MH owned by Gulfcoast. A very nice a dog indeed regardless of her breeding.
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Traveling Through The Graded Timber JH (2012 NAFC Trav X Timber MH QAA)
Sundown's Ruff And Tuff (Boss JH X Lil Bit) best pup I have ever raised
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Thanks for the replies about the water. Appreciate the info!
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