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    Quote Originally Posted by Meleagris1 View Post
    I think the vast majority of FT'ers share Henry Ford's philosophy on color selection - you can have any color you want . . . so long as its black. I've talked to several very good breeders and they say its often hard to place chocolates into competitive FT homes as everyone wants black, at which point it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy more or less.

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    Try and name 20 people who are actively campaigning Chocolate labs in field trials? When I say campaigning I mean running at least 15 trials a year. The percentage has to be based on participation and there are only a handful that have devoted this amount of time. On a side note everyone I know that is has a titled chocolate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rnd View Post
    This is your answer in a nut shell.
    That's not an answer. That's pure speculation...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    Is that so? Hmmn.
    Jacob, Do you disagree??

    As Dr. stated. There is less color prejudice today but it is still there.


    In obx4me"s example I believe that "serious" field trialers would take the black dogs first and they would be males.

    If that same litter had 3 chocolate males I doubt if more than one would be placed in a Ft home.

    The good news is at least more are making it to the game. 20 - 30 years ago you'd be lucky to see a chocolate at a trial let alone a FC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Boy View Post
    Correct it is all about the numbers.
    So if 1,000 black males are running trials and 100 are FC's that would =10%
    If 100 chocolate males are running trials and 1 is an FC that would=1%
    Why is there such a difference in the percentage??
    In my experience it would be more like:
    1,000 black males are running trials and 100 are FC's that would =10%
    If 10 chocolate males are running trials and 1 is an FC that would=10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott spalding View Post
    On a side note everyone I know that is has a titled chocolate.
    On a different side note everyone I know that "is" (with a couple of exceptions) has never owned a chocolate much less titled one. We obviously know lots of different folks who "is"...

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    West Coast, I personally know of 4 actively running brown dogs, 2 running Amateur, and 2 that are young; a QAA, who won't be able to be bred, and a derby prospect, very nice owners that are into brown. I bet they're more of the younger dogs, a certain female, her dad and her uncle have done a lot to change the people's opinions of brown. I just wish there were more to watch on the west coast circuit, there used to be, until everyone moved east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    In my 40+ years of field trial awareness there have been a handful of prepotent sires and we know that those dogs will continue to influence the breed long after they are no longer producing through their offspring. To my knowledge only one of that handful of studs produced chocolate offspring.

    The most successful chocolate male in the modern era of field trials was NFC Rascal who was the byproduct of a black to black breeding. The sire Ripin Blue Thunder, was know to produce chocolate but the dam, Belle Star's Emmy Lou had not been bred. She had some Scottish bench dogs in her background but I do not recall anyone strongly expecting chocolate so when two chocolate males appeared it was somewhat of a surprise. I know this because I knew both dogs and their owners were personal friends.

    There are probably more competitive yellows in the past 15 years than during any time in my tenure. Why, because more of that core sire base produced yellow.

    I think that there is much less color prejudice than there was 20-30 years ago. Most serious field trailers want, first and foremost, a nationally competitive dog and the breedings likely to produce that dog rarely, very rarely, have chocolate puppies.

    Dr. Ed, The Trumarc line has contributed to at least one titled chocolate dog.


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