 |
 |
 |
 |
|||
 |
 |
 |
 |
|||
chapter 11.......Originally Posted by caryalsobrook
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/hoste...ry?id=17775866
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...king-up-pieces
http://www.examiner.com/article/host...-workers-angry
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8AK15J20121122
Last edited by paul young; 12-10-2012 at 08:02 AM.
there's no good reason to fatten up a retriever.
I guess you missed the part on one of these threads where I did not defend management. But even those who are bad managers have some value in a wind downI missed the part were the hourly employees were being given bonuses in the 100k range.
This is what took place just prior to management telling their employees they needed to take recessions.
Quality management, the union is obviously to blame.......folly.. As for the employees, they could have pushed for an ESOP
. I don't blame the union, they bluffed, & apparently lost.
__________________________
Marvin S
It is certain that the number of those who reason well in difficult matters is much smaller then the number of those who reason badly ........ reasoning is like running & unlike carrying, hence one Arab steed will outrun a hundred jackasses.
Everyone's friend is No One's friend
This above is the part of your post I was challenging when I said what I did:
You do not have enough knowledge of the situation to make that statement. You do not know the whole story of what the issues were in this round of negotiations. Only a sketchy brief from a news source who got a sketchy brief from a carefully worded press release. Nor do you know anything of the history of the company/union relations or what concessions had taken place in previous negotiations.
At least, I worked there many, many years ago and even I would not profess to know everything that led to the closure. But I CAN say that it has been coming for a long, long time. The cost of labor is only one part of the cost of doing business and to say the union caused Wonder/Hostess to shut down ... or that unions in general cause businesses to fail ... is an overstatement.
Many businesses flourish with a union workforce and many non-union businesses fail without a union to blame.
JS
Last edited by JS; 12-10-2012 at 09:23 AM.
When I say, "always", I mean "almost always".
When I say, "never", I mean "almost never".
Snowshoe's All American Guy SH, UDX, WCX ... CODY ... at the bridge
CH. Snowshoe's Girl Crazy MH, UD, WCX, SDHF, OS ... PRESLEY
Millpond's Baby Boomer MH*** ... BABE
Snowshoe's Crazy For Lovin You SH ... NELSON
I was wwrong. I don't know whether I heard an earlier version that later changed or just misunderstood. I did read the ABC article completely which was interesting. While short, it did show that such situations can be very complicated. The union striking was the largest but the only one not agreeing to a new contract. Evidently, the teamsters union disagreed with the union striking and what appeaars to me, accused the Baker's union of striking but not requesting all it's members to strike. However it expected the teamsters union to honor the strike. The company is privately owned and I guess they are can pay bonuses as they choose so long as bankruptcy judge agrees. I suspect only so long as enough assets are left to pay creditors. What a mess. Actually I would blame gov. rules and regulations for causing such a complicated problem. Just my thoughts.
It's a Helluva mess. In my opinion everyone involved shares some of the blame for it. I do think it's reprehensible that the court would allow nearly $2 million in bonuses to be distributed to senior management members at this time, but i'm equally sure it's legal......
The misuse of pension funds makes me want to puke. If it could happen to them, it could happen to me.-Paul
Last edited by paul young; 12-10-2012 at 11:09 AM. Reason: spelling
there's no good reason to fatten up a retriever.
Am I wrong in thinking today's unions are not the same as the one I was a member of in the 50's. While ours was a small shop, and we eventually voted it out...I do not recall any union of that time doing much more than just carrying a picket sign around the entrance of the building the business occupied. The NW Bell building on 5th and 3rd in Mpls comes to mind, where my wife was involved for a few years. But this type of activity would have been unheard of in that era, or at least in our region.
UB
Michigan Madness: Thousands Plan To Lay Siege On State Capitol On Tuesday Over Right-To-Work
By: LaborUnionReport (Diary)
On Tuesday, unions, left-wing radicals and their allies are planning to lay siege to Michigan’s state capitol on Tuesday to protest the state lawmakers’ move to give workers the right to work for unionized companies without being compelled to pay union fees or be fired.
On a Facebook page dedicated to a “Day of Action” on Tuesday, as of Sunday night, over 2,400 2,500 activists have pledged to show up to protest. That number is expected to grow by Tuesday.
In addition to unions vowing even bigger protests than last week, OccupyMichigan is also promoting the Day of Action.
The Lansing Fire Department has posted a list of likely street closures.
On Saturday, according to ABC News, more than 200 union activists attended a training for Tuesday.
Between chants, cheers and applause, organizers warned those at the training to be prepared for insults and obstruction Tuesday in Lansing. The volunteers lined up on opposite sides of a long hall at UAW Local 600 in suburban Detroit and took turn turns portraying protesters and union critics.Fithian is a career community organizer known for her organizing of protests on behalf of a broad range of Marxist groups, ranging from ACORN and Code Pink to Occupy Wall Street.
“Humanize the situation. Be clear with your intentions. Introduce yourself,” national labor activist Lisa Fithian, of Austin, Texas, said through a megaphone. “They’re going to do everything they can to criminalize us.”
As noted last year:
To say that Lisa Fithian is just a paid-professional protester would be to undersell her radical accomplishments. True, she’s received compensation from the SEIU and the SEIU’s labor federation Change to Win as a consultant. However, her war on the free market goes well beyond that. Last year, Fithian helped the UAW shut down Bank of America branches and, now, is helping the #OccupyWallSt protesters wage their occupations all across America.As the founder of today’s American labor movement said nearly a century ago:
“I want to urge devotion to the fundamentals of human liberty – the principles of voluntarism. No lasting gain has ever come from compulsion. If we seek to force, we but tear apart that which, united, is invincible….I want to say to you, men and women of the American labor movement, do not reject the cornerstone upon which labor’s structure has been builded – but base your all upon voluntary principles and illumine your every problem by consecrated devotion to that highest of all purposes – human well being in the fullest, widest, deepest sense.” — Samuel Gompers, American Federation of LaborAs unions and their allies lay siege to the Michigan capitol on Tuesday, they’re exposing their true motives: Today’s unions are not about freedom of choice, they are about power and politics.
On Tuesday, Samuel Gompers’ principles of voluntarism will once again be cast aside as unions and their allies protest to continue their right to force payment from workers.
When the one you love becomes a memory, that memory becomes a treasure.
That was my point exactly. If the establishment is represented by a union, the non-union/"leeches" get the same representation and benefits as the dues paying members, they just don't contribute dues to receive said representation and benefits. Just like the people that get the entitlements that reblodlicans complain about. Yet they don't complain about the people receiving benefits and representation and wages without paying for them because they don't want to pay dues. those same people that don't want to pay the dues, will be the first ones running to the shop steward when they get in a pinch and need representation. the shop steward is required to represent all employees because there is a union contract in place.
Last edited by murral stark; 12-10-2012 at 05:56 PM.
Murral, so let me get this straight. I work in a field that has a significant (that means a bunch) number of union workers and I decide to not join the union so in your mind that makes me a leech. That is some twisted and skewed logic for sure. You somehow equate this with someone not working and receiving entitlements. Where do you get this stuff from? You're a classic!
Last edited by coachmo; 12-10-2012 at 08:49 PM.
do you receive the same wages and benefits, plus representation from the union if you were up for disciplinary action? If so, yes, you are a leech. If you are not getting the same as the union dues paying members, then you are not a leech. If you want to drink the beer, help pay for the keg. If you don't want to help pay for the keg, don't expect any beer for free. Isn't that the GOP mindset, nobody gets a handout without contributing something? Or is that only when it suits your needs for the day?
If you haven't been paying attention many on here equate union workers (the working guys) as leaches.
Last edited by mngundog; 12-10-2012 at 10:59 PM.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
