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Thread: Thoughts on Waterdog by Robert Wolters

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    Question Thoughts on Waterdog by Robert Wolters

    New to form here,

    site caught my eye and felt like joining because of good informative people, that could help me along my journey of training my first retriever.

    I just picked up a yellow pup, female, 2 weeks ago.
    She's now 11 weeks old and i've started working with her and she's doing great already.
    Faigh(dawg) picked up on the whistle commands very quickly and shows good signs of drive.

    Now I understand that Wolters moves at an "accelerated" pace, and it's what both my uncle and grandfather use.
    Just curious what the community's thoughts were on this training path or if the Hillman, mentioned often in threads, is the way to go.


    Thanks,
    Chris

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    Welcome to the forum! I think Bill Hillman's stuff is a better alternative - just my personal preference.

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    Welcome to the Forum Chris. It depends on what you want. I would rather you read Wolters than nothing at all. As a matter of fact I trained a decent hunting dog using Wolters about 30 yrs ago. Things have come a long way and better methods exist now. Patented Forum response is join a training group where you can get a mentor to help you and choose a recent program to follow, several great programs are supporters of this site. Good luck
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    Likewise, I used Waterdog and Game dog to train a great MBL to be a fine retriever and family pet. That was 18 years ago.

    Like everyting else, training has evolved, and I think you will be cheating yourself and the pup if you don't read as much as you can.

    I am assuming you are only looking for a personal companion and hunting partner/retriever.

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    30 years ago, had there been internet chat forums, one might have been discussing the merits of Wolters, DL Walters, JL Free,and Tom Quinn, only own two of those four and more for sentimental reasons....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    30 years ago, had there been internet chat forums, one might have been discussing the merits of Wolters, DL Walters, JL Free,and Tom Quinn, only own two of those four and more for sentimental reasons....
    LOL got all four Bon but I must say I did learn from them. Makes me ponder what is to come 30 years from now but I guess that is a topic for another thread.

    Telepathy perhaps regards,
    I have learned I need these dogs much more than they need me. Tim Bockmon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pher View Post
    New to form here,

    site caught my eye and felt like joining because of good informative people, that could help me along my journey of training my first retriever.

    I just picked up a yellow pup, female, 2 weeks ago.
    She's now 11 weeks old and i've started working with her and she's doing great already.
    Faigh(dawg) picked up on the whistle commands very quickly and shows good signs of drive.

    Now I understand that Wolters moves at an "accelerated" pace, and it's what both my uncle and grandfather use.
    Just curious what the community's thoughts were on this training path or if the Hillman, mentioned often in threads, is the way to go.


    Thanks,
    Chris
    ....you mean Richard Wolters, right?
    Tom Dorroh

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    You're going to get a run-around here about Wolters' very out-dated materials. They're kind-of a joke now. I started a dog on his "Game Dog" back in 1983. They're OK for a hunting dog, but there's a lot that's MUCH better now. Mertens Sound beginnings, Hillman's puppu video, whatever. But I recommend Lardy's Total Retriever Training 2nd ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duk4me View Post
    LOL got all four Bon but I must say I did learn from them. Makes me ponder what is to come 30 years from now but I guess that is a topic for another thread.

    Telepathy perhaps regards,
    I learned from them too, read JL Free cover to cover twice,then tossed it...was given a DL Walters book and always liked it because DL was always nice to us...he was one of the first guys to come and congratulate Clint when he won his first Open in Colorado with a 24 month old dog, always thought that was darm classy...Tom Quinn is an old family friend of Clint's and would always take the time and chat with me, but sometimes his artistic free spirit thoughts were a little out there, but he really knew his dog stuff, a real good eye for dog talent, and a VERY good trainer, and an even better artist
    All my Exes live in Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by lanse brown View Post
    A few things that I learned still ring true. "Lanse when you get a gift, say thank you and walk away. When you get a screwing walk away. You are going to get a lot more screwings than gifts"

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