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Thread: The Fiscal Cliff - Part 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddogs View Post
    However, the fact remains that as now structured, these programs are not sustainable. If the measures advanced so far are unacceptable, then someone has to put these better alternatives on the table. The political reasons both sides are reluctant to do so are obvious, but the common good requires that someone break the deadlock.

    St. Paul economist and writer Edward Lotterman can be reached at elotterman@pioneerpress.com.
    The part bolded is what I look at - everything the government is running is a Ponzi Scheme - Ryan at the least put a proposal on the table -

    I'm reading a book now called "Do Not Ask What We Do" about selected tax cutters & their foes. Boring to start with but turns into an interesting read.

    What it really boils down to is - No one wants to be the 1st to propose something as they will pay the price - & everyone wants to be reelected .

    At the same time I am reading a CATO book about the problems in SS circa 1983 data. Those who are opposed to private accounts in SS should read it.

    There are lots of good sensible proposals out there, no one wants to be the front man.
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    Republicans didn't have the votes for "Plan B."


    What a joke of a party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Republicans didn't have the votes for "Plan B."


    What a joke of a party.
    Why does that make it a joke of a party? I look at it as the people that were elected to the house are standing by what the people who elected them want. I know if my rep voted for any tax increase I would vote against her in a primary. I voted for her to cut spending not raise taxes.
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    Let me add I also wish she would grow a set and eliminate refundable tax credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Republicans didn't have the votes for "Plan B."


    What a joke of a party.
    They did what they were elected to do. Told Boehner to "Buzz" off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    They did what they were elected to do. Told Boehner to "Buzz" off.
    The real ones that told Boehner to stick it have one more chance to get rid of him in the final vote for speaker with a tie vote. Then the republicans would have to put up a new nominee in his place and the democrats would have to put someone new in for Pelosi. Then they would have another vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Why does that make it a joke of a party? I look at it as the people that were elected to the house are standing by what the people who elected them want. I know if my rep voted for any tax increase I would vote against her in a primary. I voted for her to cut spending not raise taxes.
    Good luck with that. Ah ha ha ha ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Good luck with that. Ah ha ha ha ha!
    Why would people who voted for her want to re elect her if she votes to raise taxes? This state just went completely republican on the state level for the first time in over 100 years.( house, senate and governor).
    She will not last if she raises taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post

    Why would people who voted for her want to re elect her if she votes to raise taxes? This state just went completely republican on the state level for the first time in over 100 years.( house, senate and governor).
    She will not last if she raises taxes.
    So taxes go up on everybody! Ah ha ha ha ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    So taxes go up on everybody! Ah ha ha ha ha!
    Tell your man in the WH to start NEGOTIATING instead of trying to DICTATE.
    Bill Davis

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