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    Thanks everyone for the tips. This gives me some ideas to run with

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    All you need is a Pin brush. Attach it to your leg using large rubber bands. Everytime the dog gets too close it will get an instant "poke" by the pins and will learn very quickly to stay off your leg. This is an old obedience trick used by Judy Howard a very well known obedience guru. I have used it and it works!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    All you need is a Pin brush. Attach it to your leg using large rubber bands. Everytime the dog gets too close it will get an instant "poke" by the pins and will learn very quickly to stay off your leg. This is an old obedience trick used by Judy Howard a very well known obedience guru. I have used it and it works!


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    Where did an idea like this come from??? Poor choice!
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    Try on a different shade of glasses and look at this in a different light.
    Some would consider it a major plus that you have a dog that stays in contact with your leg.
    You want this but not the heavy leaning. You also want a dog who looks out into the field.
    Except for heeling drills when do you need to make a hard left turn going to the mat? For most retriever ht and ft work the heeling game is all about aligning the dog to see something or go somewhere. Most of us could give two hoots about traditional heeling except from truck to blind to line and back.
    So learn how to communicate with this dog at the line using very slow deliberate movement the dog can feel. Rather than fight this teach him to line his spine with direction your facing. As you progress you should find less leaning. Some dogs that are bird crazy won't dare take their eyes off the guns but may place their paw on top of your foot to feel your movement.
    I would take advantage of a dog with this behavior. Not saying you should just saying there are other things to consider. Find someone in your area known for handling dogs by touch to learn more if you want.
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    Originally Posted by Joyce
    All you need is a Pin brush. Attach it to your leg using large rubber bands. Everytime the dog gets too close it will get an instant "poke" by the pins and will learn very quickly to stay off your leg. This is an old obedience trick used by Judy Howard a very well known obedience guru. I have used it and it works!



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    Where did an idea like this come from??? Poor choice!
    Mary Lynn, you know this how? Have you seen it done and there was baggage, or you tried it and it didn't work, or what? Lots of tricks like this work pretty well and I'm so dumb I'd never think of them on my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    Mary Lynn, you know this how? Have you seen it done and there was baggage, or you tried it and it didn't work, or what? Lots of tricks like this work pretty well and I'm so dumb I'd never think of them on my own.
    I would think there is a better way to approach the problem???Guess I would not think of this method either Howard? It would not be a choice I would use! Does this method really teach the dog? JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Try on a different shade of glasses and look at this in a different light.
    Some would consider it a major plus that you have a dog that stays in contact with your leg.
    You want this but not the heavy leaning. You also want a dog who looks out into the field.
    Except for heeling drills when do you need to make a hard left turn going to the mat? For most retriever ht and ft work the heeling game is all about aligning the dog to see something or go somewhere. Most of us could give two hoots about traditional heeling except from truck to blind to line and back.
    So learn how to communicate with this dog at the line using very slow deliberate movement the dog can feel. Rather than fight this teach him to line his spine with direction your facing. As you progress you should find less leaning. Some dogs that are bird crazy won't dare take their eyes off the guns but may place their paw on top of your foot to feel your movement.
    I would take advantage of a dog with this behavior. Not saying you should just saying there are other things to consider. Find someone in your area known for handling dogs by touch to learn more if you want.
    IMHO Breck has the right shade of glasses on. Take advantage of the dog's behavior and turn it to your advantage.
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    Yes it REALLY teaches the dog. IMOP its better than kneeing the dog in the face or stepping on their toes. But what would I know, I have Chessies so I guess I can't possibly know anything. And if you would look up Judy Howard you would know how it came about.
    Its a quick and easy method to use and like I said YES it works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joyce View Post
    Yes it REALLY teaches the dog. IMOP its better than kneeing the dog in the face or stepping on their toes. But what would I know, I have Chessies so I guess I can't possibly know anything. And if you would look up Judy Howard you would know how it came about.
    Its a quick and easy method to use and like I said YES it works!

    Joyce
    Joyce Sorry I have no idea who Judy Howard is. JMO I don't think this teaches a dog much. You say you have Chessies and that may make a difference. I like a more positive approach to teach. JMO. So if it works for you great! That is what it is all about and I respect that.
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    Just like when you turned away from the dog when it got out of position to teach heeling; you should turn into a dog heeling too close, and away from a dog heeling out too far. Go back to the yard and work this for several days. Be sure you yank your choke chain back when turning into the dog with your heel command rather than to the side. Don't forget your turning drills and be sure to work "here" means forward and "heel" means backwards.

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