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    I watched all three videos a couple of times and did not post up immediately. The reason was I needed to reflect on what I saw. First off, I want to compliment you on making great progress with such a young pup. You obviously have succeeded in teaching him quite a bit and he is definitely a keeper!

    The distractions by the other dog were amazingly ignored and the pup using the hide hints that your primary purpose for this pup may be to hunt (just a guess). I use a hide often in training, but I never release my dogs directly from the hide. The reasoning is to avoid making an expectation out of the hide becoming a launching pad. They come to heel before making any retrieves.

    It is very good to have a precocious pup for your first. You've succeeded in getting him to focus and be responsive. That's a huge advantage down the road. His delivery at that age is outstanding and consistent. He obviously is having a great deal of fun and that is because of your approach. Good for you!

    I really only have a couple of things that jumped out at me. First of all, he was sent on his name for the first mark and on "back" for the second. Then again, I need to balance that with the fact that he is only is only 6 months old. I would be sending him on all marks with his name for the release and pile/blind retrieves use "back". Make the difference a clear distinction.

    One last thing, the release to go could be a bit slower and calmer...don't rush it. The "hand down" cue is best issued slowly with no distracting motions. I believe you are trying to convey enthusiasm to the pup, but I like to release my dogs quietly from the line (most of the time) to avoid feeding anxiety.

    Thanks for the videos....they are very cool (and not because of the snow).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Bird View Post
    Wayne,
    I just re watched the vid and im not sure about a nick later on. I have been having alot of issues with my collar lately, I think the Canadian cold may have pooched the battery. It seems as though my burns are becoming very inconsistant. I get occasional head shakes, or a occasional yelp but there seems to be several strides in between. I have to sharge the collar after every use. I am waiting to here back from dogtra as its only a couple years old.
    Hello great video. Ty appears to be doing well. He sure sits nice by your side and comes in nice. I noticed maybe just slow down before you send Ty again-just thought it was a bit quick. Probably the cold weather makes you move fast. You certainly have alot of snow. Yes I agree it is challenging training in the snow.
    I concur with Wayne - watch Lardy's FTP.
    Meant to add my Dogtra acts up in the cold. Don't use it now b/c it is so old! I have a new vibration collar which is easier to adjust. Could not tell you why but it might be better to get a newer collar that will take the cold especially for training a young dog.
    Thanks for sharing.
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    I get everything being said here and am very thankful for the help as the only retriever club in my area is a touch over an hour away (which is no prob) but there is a real doucher member, very opinionated, his way or now way kinda guy that is keeping a few of us young guys from going. I dont need to be be-littled or talked to like that by anyone. Im a veteran damnit and dog training is suppose to be me. I am so so happy that all the inconsistanies are on my end. I added this thread to my favs to read daily before training, i also keep notes on my Iphone.
    I may just keep posting videos so you all can keep helping me out.

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    Our dogs are a very similar in age. I agree with the comments on sending....only because i caught myself doing something similar. Have you FF this dog? I imagine you have, i just noticed he was slower picking up the duck. I myself would be interested in hearing what works/doesnt to improve live bird handling. We are working same drills with frozen ducks a lots of yard obedience w ducks in mouth to improve ours. Only other comment, i use Smartworks and force on a send in FTP, but i delay it slightly. Try to get the command out & dogs first step then later its en-route force with original back....then nick-back in 5 yd increments each send out to 40. Jealous of TYs return, my girl likes o come in hot & burn up the brakes
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    As Wayne said you dont want to nick the dog until it is 1/3 to 1/2 way down the line. That is how R. Stawski shows it in his video Fowl Dawgs 2 reason behind the whole thing is to get the dog to pick up speed as most dogs slow way up when doing T & Double T work, as they are trying to anticipate the whistle sit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KwickLabs View Post
    The distractions by the other dog were amazingly ignored and the pup using the hide hints that your primary purpose for this pup may be to hunt (just a guess). I use a hide often in training, but I never release my dogs directly from the hide. The reasoning is to avoid making an expectation out of the hide becoming a launching pad. They come to heel before making any retrieves.

    Awesome, I love this idea. Will be incorperating this into my program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelast2 View Post
    As Wayne said you dont want to nick the dog until it is 1/3 to 1/2 way down the line. That is how R. Stawski shows it in his video Fowl Dawgs 2 reason behind the whole thing is to get the dog to pick up speed as most dogs slow way up when doing T & Double T work, as they are trying to anticipate the whistle sit.
    Perfect, i guess i miss-understood the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Lynn Metras View Post
    Hello great video. Ty appears to be doing well. He sure sits nice by your side and comes in nice. I noticed maybe just slow down before you send Ty again-just thought it was a bit quick. Probably the cold weather makes you move fast. You certainly have alot of snow. Yes I agree it is challenging training in the snow.
    I concur with Wayne - watch Lardy's FTP.
    Meant to add my Dogtra acts up in the cold. Don't use it now b/c it is so old! I have a new vibration collar which is easier to adjust. Could not tell you why but it might be better to get a newer collar that will take the cold especially for training a young dog.
    Thanks for sharing.
    I am looking into getting a new battery for my collar, its not but maybe 3 years old (1900ncp) if i spend another $300 on a collar my wife will have me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matador View Post
    Our dogs are a very similar in age. I agree with the comments on sending....only because i caught myself doing something similar. Have you FF this dog? I imagine you have, i just noticed he was slower picking up the duck. I myself would be interested in hearing what works/doesnt to improve live bird handling. We are working same drills with frozen ducks a lots of yard obedience w ducks in mouth to improve ours. Only other comment, i use Smartworks and force on a send in FTP, but i delay it slightly. Try to get the command out & dogs first step then later its en-route force with original back....then nick-back in 5 yd increments each send out to 40. Jealous of TYs return, my girl likes o come in hot & burn up the brakes
    Yes he is through FF.
    Ty is generally very very speedy when it comes to getting a bird scooped up, this one wasn't thawed at all. He was trying to grab the body but couldnt grip it, so he switched to the neck. This little guy is bird crazy, always has been... He was handled pigeons, doves, ducks and geese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KwickLabs View Post
    I use a hide often in training, but I never release my dogs directly from the hide. The reasoning is to avoid making an expectation out of the hide becoming a launching pad. They come to heel before making any retrieves.
    So if you were hunting from a field blind,you would get out, get the dog out and heel it and then send him? I'm not understanding why sending him from his blind is bad. What if the dog was on a stand?

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