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    Got out with TY this afternoon after work, They had town dump trucks dumping snow in my weekday spots so i went down to the marina.
    I tried my best to rectify most of the things i was picked up on.
    They included;
    No lead
    using dead bird not mark
    hand higher and steady over his head
    being quiter on my "back"
    straighter arms when casting
    being ready to make the cast
    more backs
    remote backs
    using a pail for mu bumpers
    and most importantly making more fun, i think he/we ran alot better today.

    He was getting mixed up on his remote back casts, i think because he could see the overs really well due to confined space, so once the camera stopped we did 10 or so remote backs from inside 25-30yds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1lsmwAyxBk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIVtG2Ecxf0
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    You are still sending from your side way too frequently.

    And stop using the "dead-bird" cue for right now.
    It's too soon.

    Before long, you will be able to make him bug on command, just by saying "dead-bird".
    In fact, I wouldn't even be dropping the hand before sending yet.

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    Several questions. You pre-plant 'fun bumpers'? Why are you running him down a road to the pile? How long has he been on FTP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    You are still sending from your side way too frequently.

    And stop using the "dead-bird" cue for right now.
    It's too soon.

    Before long, you will be able to make him bug on command, just by saying "dead-bird".
    In fact, I wouldn't even be dropping the hand before sending yet.

    THis is where not everyone is the same, 10 people tell me to use it and 1 says not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Several questions. You pre-plant 'fun bumpers'? Why are you running him down a road to the pile? How long has he been on FTP?

    Evan
    No fun bumpers are not pre planted, That isnt a road, its a beach covered with snow that someone drove down, i use it what i can because theres 2-3ft of snow else where. we have been working the pile for a couple weeks. Not every day.

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    Another big thing, is that I don't think you've built enough momentum to the back pile, to be stopping the dog en-route yet.

    It's neat that he will stop.
    But, he isn't really going either.

    Get him to go first. Get him going HARD to that back pile.

    Stopping the dog en-route is a momentum killer.
    And you don't have much to work with right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Bird View Post
    THis is where not everyone is the same, 10 people tell me to use it and 1 says not...
    When you start seeing him do a perfect Stevie Wonder impression, as soon as you lower your hand and say dead bird, I'll be here to say "I told you so."

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    Quote Originally Posted by copterdoc View Post
    When you start seeing him do a perfect Stevie Wonder impression, as soon as you lower your hand and say dead bird, I'll be here to say "I told you so."
    Maybe you could show us a youtube video of how you do it??

    Thanks in advance.................
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    I saw lots of improvement.

    Not everyone wants a barnburner on blinds. My Rowdy runs about the same speed as your dog. Rowdy's parents both run relatively slow blinds (Pirate X Cha Cha). It was one of the traits that I was looking for when I selected this breeding. I have had my share of barn burners and I don't like them. They can get in trouble before you can blink an eye lid.

    I use a cue "dead bird" on pile work. When I switched to Lardy a few years back I noted that he doesn't use a cue until later in the program. But it was one of the things so ingrained in me that I never stopped doing it. I have been training dogs for about 30 years and using a cue on FTP has never created a problem for me. Similarily I will still say "sit, stay" occassionally instead of just "sit". I think it is your personal choice.

    I still try to work in several remote sit sends when doing the drill. With my Rowdy on the T this morning (I am at the sit on the whistle stage on the baseline) and I did about 10 sends and 2 or 3 were front remote sends and the rest were alternating left and right side sends.

    Keep it up.
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